Horological Meandering

The "TRUTH" is that some, and on occasion myself, would define truth as "relative to" or "depends on". Absolute truths? These are few, and found mainly among mathematics and philosophies that have 100% need of mathematics. In medicine, for the last 2 cent...  

And worked in Singapore my career and lifestyle would have allowed me to persue the same quality of watches?

Ronald..if you came over NOW 2014..you will live in a 900sq foot 99 year leasehold condominium..google our Singapore prices for that...and you will rush out to buy a Greubel Forsey. TRUTH...damned good watch. Truth....since I do not benefit in any way ...... 

I ask this because a 6 figure USD watch seems to be beyond almost all of the world's population assuming it is disposable income. With respect I do not see enough appeal in the G-F watches to even think of laying out that amount of money. I certainly have... 

The high price of cars in Singapore is a necessity due to land restrictions. Always given me a chuckle when you compare the price of a car say in Aus to Sg. After watching many videos, (recent one from DeBethune was awesome) on how these pieces are made w... 

I was VERY worried that I made a statement online that can be misunderstood. Telling the truth is my prime belief.....and I was concerned how many times I failed. It was always to do good. BUT..still, I was avoiding trouble. COURAGE is not my forte.

Respectfully Dr. Cheong, It is like you were born with a chip on your shoulder. And you are obsessed with money. Quite depressing really. What makes me feel uncomfortable reading your posts is your continual assertion of how poor you are, and yet you boug... 

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or is this some personal "release" to make yourself feel better? Look it is really simple... You don't LIE. Period and end of story . You don't "bend the truth" to suit your purpose. You don't tell a half truth. It hurts a lot, it is inconvenient but that... 

I never plan, set out to, or connive etc. What I wrote was to share how advertising and even myself....so as to avoid being a hypocrite. My calling card recently changed my profession to Dr Bernard Cheong Hypocrite It was and is meant to be a joke. Anyway... 

. . . is bullshit. Or, to put it politely, your discourse evinces a discernible lack of internal consistency. In all sincerity, Art

. . . forwarding text via pm to myself before posting? Not for editing - that would clearly be unacceptable. Just feedback . . . to give you a sense of how others will perceive your intended message. I have affection for you as a former colleague, and sim... 

BUT..I would/try to always be honest. Which is why I write off the cuff without thinking twice. I like criticism, it betters me, helps OPEN my eyes. And I value ALL remarks, including dislikes, as it helps me understand. I am not here to get famous or ear... 

BC's post are thoroughly entertaining and should not be dumbed-down based on what you feel is germaine to the forum. Mr. Cheong's posts is what you get when Confucianism (sometimes for me it feels like confused-ism) crashes a WatchAnish Gruebel GTG. For t... 

. . .have already been elaborated upon, so there's no need to reiterate. The pertinent point is that Bernard understands the unease we've endured due to his casual disregard for the traditions and culture of this forum. A recommendation for advanced revie... 

...Bernard's own watch blog. That way you can have all of the excitement (and brand endorsement) without any of the controversy. Everyone's a winner! Cheers, pplater.

Thanks, didn't know it existed... until now!

So when you write: "Have I lied in the past? YES. Will I lie? YES. Not by design, but if cornered. Hold on....I would always try 90% not to lie" and now " I do not lie...period" Which one of these three comments should I believe? NONE. Bernard, sorry, you... 

If I had to make a living from writing, I would be VERY poor. When I post anything or write in print. I am almost brutal. Almost rude. BUT...these days, I avoid brands that I can't say good things. I may be wrong, but I do that. I also don't review watche... 

Bernard, here on this thread, you have an opportunity once and for all to put to end all doubt. Respond here in writing for all members to see, for all members to reference in the future. Are you saying that you have never received payments of any materia... 

and definitely he has the power to pull those strings( especially by putting a price tag in any other sentence,totally irritating....) but , 1) I believe he is getting a lot of pleasure from harsh criticism,or at least it seems so ,there is too much effor... 

which matter most. "I humbly believe that it can be like a can of worms...everybody takes advantage of a certain position they assume given the chance" Yes, but if we are in a position to influence, to pursuade others with our opinions, we must be transpa... 

And I agree with your analysis . I hope that is not the case,I also feel many here refrain from comments to Mr BC posts just not to give the satisfaction of an answer.....shame to come to this point really. Mo

I'm not saying these posts are in my preferred style, but I don't see what harm Bernard is doing. Even for his less-experienced readers, he does not appear to be shilling or engaging in any other troublesome market behavior. Furthermore, it is hard to ima... 

. . . to a tea ceremony. The analogy may be crude, but that's the essence of our concern. The harm is of two types: first, by running contrary to forum ideals and expectations, namely open discussion of price, value, and asset appreciation, and second, by... 

agreed.

"Even for his less experienced readers, he does not appear to be shilling or engaging in any other troublesome market behavior" For a long time, I have asked Bernard to be transparent and disclose his conflicts of interests. There is no problem with him r... 

It's just the internets, guys. Don't take Bernard's posting so seriously. He enjoys his watches, the finer things in life and gets to show us watches that he owns, that we'd never see in the real world. Bernard may not be here to amuse us, but he is enjoy... 

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This post is a complete contradiction to everything we, as a community, should strive for. The world is IMPERFECT but PuristS strive to find perfection...not subvert it. So yes, this is serious because it hits right at the core of the values of this group... 

Perfection and the Perfect System, your Post reminded me of this S

. . . from The Purists, Mark. Perhaps we're anachronisms . . . out of place and time, since this is now 'just the internet'. Speaking for myself, I feel that standards of behavior still matter. Discussing price and price appreciation, watches as investmen... 

I assume you have seen and know Heartbreak Ridge. I love that scene in the beginning when he meets his new superior officer, something similar to: "you are an anachronism Gunny Highway. You should be put in a glass jar that says 'break only in event of wa... 

. . . as Bernard's personal 'reality-checker' stands. Here's hoping he makes full advantage of it. Art

And why would you want censorship?

. . . which was made during a telephone call was to serve as a sounding board, so that he would have a sense of how his musings come across. Not as an editor or censor, a point made expressly in the course of the conversation. Art

I was just wondering.... But if that guy is a grown-up doctor, I'm sure he must be able to judge for himself? Cheers, over & out

. . . and listen only to his own counsel. He cannot, though, escape the consequences. His accumulated transgressions were serious enough to merit the response of two moderators. In the absence of my offer, what would you have us do? Ban him? Or ignore the... 

For him or his ego Michael ;) Cheers Andrew

"What you say doesn't have to be true, but if you speak it LOUD enough and OFTEN enough people will come to believe it." (attributed to Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister).. That way you gain followers, Just look around. amerix

... pass on the watches to give my dog(s) a nicer space to live. Marcus

A bit unsettlingly manic, but dazzling and, I believe, total honest (truth is often overated in my opinion). Anyway, I appreciate the insights you bring, not to mention the dazzling watches. I look forward to your next post.

When will you 'call' this stuff? When is enough enough? Optimistically, Cheers, pplater.

. . . I would prefer it remain open so that Bernard may respond should he feel the desire to do so. Art

It will give time to Bernard to answer, if he wants so. Best, my friend. Nicolas

. . . so please, don't lock the thread just yet.

For a long time, I have held back and bit my lip out of respect for Bernard. I'd prefer to let his posts stand and not censor. But respect is a two way street. He must post in the "PuristS spirit" (which Art does a much better job expressing than I ever w... 

I fondly remember similar posts by other Purists personalities. Maniacs you might say. One in particular. Who shall remain nameless. Back before PPro. The good old days. At least there weren't any disturbing pictures this time.

to much to ask for these pictures :) Best Damjan

You have been on these forums for a long long time. When have you ever read a post like this "in the good old days"? A post offering personal opinions in which the author claims that lying for a purpose is OK... If all you remember about the "good old day... 

Just noting that at times inappropriate posts from eccentrics were a feature of the past. Not my main memory of the past, and not why I come here, but eccentricity and drama have always been a feature of this place. Not endorsing, just noting. Personally,... 

And I am sorry if I "jumped" on you for your comments. By the title of your post I wrongly inferred that you thought these types of posts should be/remain in the PuristSPro tradition. Best, Mike

. . . locking the thread for the time being. Art

Maybe it is helpful to revisit the site terms each of us agrees to when we make an account to engage in discussion on these forums. Discussion Board Code of Conduct Welcome to discussion boards, a virtual community where we try live up to The PuristS ph... 

but it is so important. Thanks for posting the code of conduct so everyone knows that they exist Best, Mike

...to just set up your account, and gloss over this unfortunately. Cheers, Daos

I was brought into Purists family in 2004/5 before PPro by Bernard and he was the only person who bothered to point me the right way for a UN Freak. And his passion for horology influenced my thought process. And my respect for him will not diminish. At t... 

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Mally

I respect you guys and many more..old r new. Because those old posts, are too truthful, and it hurt people. I will reply below.

Fall into a gray area?

I urge you to read the PuristS code of conduct which Daos has kindly reposted above. Please read the responses to Bernard's post. You decide for yourself whether or not you think this post is acceptable. If Bernard wishes to focus only on watches, follow ... 

NT

Do you think there will be a consensus from "the counsel of elders"? Isn't Bernard himself an elder? Aren't you an "elder"...by mentioning that you are a holdover from "thePuristS" are you not assuming this role? My point is, there will never be a consens... 

...it's borderline on its face, but there is a disturbing undercurrent, and it is certainly not spiritually consistent with the site (all the discussion of price points is really pushing it IMO). Daos

Scantily Asian girl with a watch in this post.

My answers/replies are spontaneous. (1) ALL WATCH RELATED (even 0.1%), 100% of what I posted here within the pages of the forum are/were then accurate and truthful. If otherwise, it was due to scientific revelations or industry released info which made th... 

I thought the better option, on arrival just hour ago..was to write this off the cuff. Deliberating could have made it less honest.

. . . to a close. Cordially, Art

What you are giving me is a severe case of tinnitus - a roaring in the ears - just from READING your posts, which make excessive use of capital letters to drive home your points; on the Internet this is known as "shouting" and frowned upon as a breach of ...