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I wasn't referring to Bernard...
Hi John. I wasn't referring to Bernard Cheong when I mentioned the collector from Singapore. Different guy.
Regardless, I admire and respect you for standing up for Bernard.
I have not had the pleasure of meeting Bernard yet. As a 'newer' moderator I find it imperative to "listen and comprehend where [all of our members] are coming from before jumping the gun" and I read all of the posts on PuristSPro that I can as objectively as my humanity allows me. Furthermore, as a relatively young and inexperienced person in life, I'm still in the learning stage. So I'm happy to be quiet and get a free education.
Anyways, wasn't referring to Bernard.
What does it take to be a collector?
Some of you might have read this thread: patek.watchprosite.com / The OP posted a bunch of his watch which was acquired over a relatively short period of a few months and was flamed by many. Is there a time frame to be watch collecting or watch ac...
a severe mental disorder ;-)
or We are only here to guide you along your chosen path.
Ken's thread
I realised I had pasted the wrong thread. The correct thread is found here: Regards, Ian
I have met him...
I have met Mr. *******-san on multiple occasions in both Tokyo, Geneva, and Dresden. He is truly the utmost connoisseur and a true gentleman. Our upstanding moderator and humble gentleman, KIH, doesn't associate with otherwise. The member from Singapore (...
I know Ken and I know Bernard Cheong....
A collector in my mind is someone who keeps fine tuning his collection to seek and reflect his belief. Both Ken and Bernard are true gentleman should you have the opportunity to meet them, though they are just different 'species'. Bernard happens to speak...
I wasn't referring to Bernard...
Hi John. I wasn't referring to Bernard Cheong when I mentioned the collector from Singapore. Different guy. Regardless, I admire and respect you for standing up for Bernard. I have not had the pleasure of meeting Bernard yet. As a 'newer' moderator I find...
Thanks Patrick for your clarification....
Also, when I meant 'newer' moderator, I don't mean it as in inexperience or any lesser merit. It simply meant that this forum had been around for quite a while and we have witness the changes of members and moderators over the years. So some of these 'old...
The one thing I've learned...
No worries, I didn't assume that you meant it in any such way. Old and new, experienced and inexperienced, you can still never make assumptions. The inexperienced sometime come up with the best ideas, and the super experienced sometimes come up with the w...
A collector is a person who makes choices, sacrifices, collects by theme, with an idea
Behind. Naturally it takes time, as finding the good piece, modern or vintage, takes a lot of time, and efforts. It is not a matter of how many pièces you have and how valuable they are, quantity and value never made great collections. It is just a matter...
Agreed. There's a difference between a collector and an acquirer.
I concur with Nicolas. An acquirer acquires less discriminately. A collector acquires with purpose and appreciation that is with a strategy and/or an appreciation that is innately personal and based upon an education and an innate understanding. There are...
Well said!
" But our greatest achievement is to turn someone from a novice to a true collector with an innate understanding of the product and the industry, and a true appreciation for haute horlogerie "......truly well said Patrick.....I am still a novice and need ...
We welcome you Jeff!
Honestly, a large percentage of our members are true connoisseurs. I've had the pleasure of meeting many of them. Some of them are soft spoken but with truly some of the best philosophies, some of them are very willing to share their opinions. Some people...
Thanks a million!!!!
Really appreciate what you have said and many thanks for the advice. I am contemplating to purchase the following patek watches which was offered to me recently....what are yours and other people's view on these pieces? 5074P 5079J 5104P
You're welcome.
First of all, go with the ones you like, the ones that DO LOOK GOOD on your wrist and the ones that will complement your collection the most. What do you like? Regarding the case design on the 5074 and 5079, these watches have a cool case design from the ...
Very good pointers
I would say both watches look good when I wear it as I have quite a larger than normal wrist and that is why I got myself associated with AP watches as they look good on my wrists. I like the cathedral gongs on the 5074 and I also like the 5079 for its si...
Dear Jeff: I really appreciate that you joined our group...
you did take all the initial criticism as a challenge and reacted like a pure gentleman. Moreover and equally important to me, you sparked some really fascinating discussions with both your collection and questions and your openness. May you find this pla...
Thanks!
I am privileged to live in this day and age that such a forum exist with such over whelming amounts of experience and knowledge that is available through the people here. Imagine the situation with collectors 2 or 3 decades back.....would have been extrem...
I really like that guy!
After reading some articles on Dr Thomas Mao....his vision and passion for this website is what motivates people like me. Must try to meet him soon.....anybody care to point me in the right direction? A section from his interview done probably 3 years ago...
Dear Patrick, after *this* post I think its clear for everybody...
why you were asked to help us as a moderator. Best (with great appreciation), Magnus
nicely stated my friend...
I don't think I will be either acquirer or collector due to limited funds, however, I do have a collection that works for me... and I share that with the many whom I consider friends here...
You and me both my friend...
I have champagne tastes, but beer budgets. Actually that analogy is getting further and further from the truth. As the beers that I consume have actually been quite expensive. But I hear you and I feel you on that. But what are we? If we're not collectors...
At least the other person got label as accumulator. I'm but a hoarder ...
... who happen to like things that tick
My concept of a collector / collection
RULES FOR A COLLECTION About a year ago, I came up with my own set of 10 rules for collections: May start by accident but must continue with deliberate intent and specific choice (pre-meditated) Need not contain one of everything, especially at the beginn...
With regards to the rules...
I think you can include Swatch now, with the Sistem51. I am pretty sure many respected collectors here are awed by the technological advances this piece has, and I am pretty sure it wouldn't hurt to collect a couple of these. Just my two cents :)
Yes, I have a dozen Swatches; that was just an example
My actual rules are pretty loose. The ones I listed were just hypothetical. Thanks for reading them! Cheers, Cazalea
A long-term collector vs a short-term collector?
I don't see it in a complicated way. A watch collector is someone who has real passion to acquire watches that he/she likes for any reason except money. It matters not whether he/she keeps it for 1 week or 1 century (if he/she lives that long). It does no...
Well, thanks for mentioning my post...
.. my short answer is "love". Mr. U has collected many watches in a relatively short period of time. But he studies A LOT about the brands and model, history, story behind them.....etc. AND, more importantly, he is so open to fellow collectors so that he ...
I completely agree w Ken
All you need is "Love" for the watch. And i equally love meeting and making new friends thru this hobby.. There is NO formula on being a COLLECTOR. To each his own. No one should put upon others their opinion on how to be a collector. Each of us collects ...
Overthinking
We're overthinking and over analyzing this, everyone has their own motivations and reasons as to why they love watches, there is no right or wrong and frankly I don't know why we have to be so judgmental of others and what right we have to judge others. I...
Whilst I think it is important to define a collector
it is most probably more relevant to define a Purist. This may be the reason why there have been a number of responses to 2 recent posts on this forum 1. The first on the HOME related to financial and economic statements that were not in the spirit of the...
Is there a need
to define a collector and is there a universal definition? A number of participants have shared good viewpoints on what it takes to be a "collector" : choices, sacrifices, love, maturity and the list can go on and on. In the end, it is what makes the pers...
You know it's funny...
I looked at it so many ways. I used to view a collector as an erudite, tasteful individual with a philosophical bent regarding his objects. Then I met many collectors and was in general, surprised how, almost to a person, money defined everything-- and pr...
I love your three last paragraphs, while I have to agree on the rest, sadly.
Collectors are like the rest of human beens, some are interesting, others are boring... Best, Nicolas
I agree on this particular point you are making
Dear Mostel, I agree on this particular point you are making:” Then I met many collectors and was in general, surprised how, almost to a person, money defined everything-- and price was absolutely the first consideration. Men buying watches for 200k would...
Astute observation
I think you're quite spot on. Thank you sharing your thoughts. Regards, Ian
What about Susan Sontag's definition?
Susan Sontag "The Volcano Lover" 1992 The Collector is a dissembler, someone whose joys are never unalloyed with anxiety. Because there is always more. Or something better. You must have it because it is one step toward an ideal completing of your collect...
Thank you for the diverse comments
This is not a post to defend the OP of the "offending thread". To clarify, I do not know Jeff from Adam. Nor was I aware that he's also based in Singapore until Patrick pointed it out. I felt compelled to ask the question because I was dismayed by what lo...
Answering your question ...
" And I wonder if the venerable gentleman had posted photos of his watches here within a couple of months of his buying spree, would he have met with the same responses? ". No, only if he bragged about prices, investment wisdom or something unrelated to t...
Are we talking about the same person?
I don't think Jeff's post was anything close to Bernard's. Regards, Ian
Yes and no ...
Two different cases but the other carries some weird actions. Case closed on my side. Nilo
For the record
It's Jeff's post that motivated me to ask the question. As you've mentioned, they are completely different cases. Regards, Ian
