A diver is a diver … or Seiko 5 Sports versus Blancpain Fifty Fathoms ...

Sep 09, 2014,05:31 AM
 

... a real life comparison.





Is it appropriate to compare those two watches? Let´s have a look together.

 

Both have a long history, but different approach.

 

SEIKO 5 - it all started with a Seiko Sportsmatic 5, back in 1963. The idea was to set a new standard in accessibly priced mechanical watches with its innovative combination of an automatic movement. The 5 Sports series started in 1968.

Why 5?

The watch had five key attributes :
1. Automatic winding
2. Day/date displayed in a single window
3. Water resistance
4. Recessed crown at the 4 o’clock position
5. Durable case and bracelet

 

Blancpain Fifty Fathoms - the “Fifty Fathoms collection embodies Blancpain’s passion for the underwater world that was originally expressed in 1953 with the creation of the first modern diver’s watch. Blancpain is using innovative materials and new technical solutions in order to push the limits of its timepieces and to fulfill the most sophisticated demands.” The text is an extract from their (current) official webpage and it was not always like this, because back in the early 50s underwater operations required rugged, water-resistant and reliable equipment capable of withstanding the testing conditions and environment of sub-sea missions. The vintage pieces are known for being sporty and very robust, launched for military purposes but also for civil use – nothing more, nothing less. It was like this until the 80s and only changed in 1999/2000 with the “Trilogy” when it got sophisticated.

 

Why Fifty Fathoms?

50 fathoms=91,4 meters and that was the maximum depth an autonomous diver could reach then with normal compressed air at 200 bars, back at that time.

 

Data for comparison :

 

 

Seiko

Ref. SNZH55K1

Blancpain

Ref. 5015-1130-71

Specifities

 

 

 

Day and Date

Date

 

Seconds

Seconds

 

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Antimagnetic cage

 

One-way rotating bezel

One-way rotating bezel

Case

 

 

 

Steel

Steel

Diameter

41mm

45mm

Height

13mm (approx.)

14,5mm

Between horns

22mm

23mm

Water resistance

100m

300m

Movement

7S36 (in-house)*

1315 (in-house)

Power reserve

36h (approx.)

100h

Weight with bracelet

153g

203g

 

* Note: To initially start your watch, swing it from side to side in a horizontal arc for about 30 seconds

 

One of the reasons why people may say you can´t compare them is probably the price. The Fifty Fathoms is about sixty times more expensive – no kidding. For me this argument is not valid or let´s say kind of “snobby” and therefore I gave it a try.

 

What came to my mind here is the comparison between a Mercedes G and a Suzuki LJ, as the price difference is almost the same. Both are great for what they are and they can do similar jobs, like to bring the family and their stuff up to their mountain shelter – even in winter. Still both are not perfect for everything that comes to your/my mind smile






Back to watches.

 

A watch from a true manufacture , this is correct in both cases – more or less, without splitting hairs.

 

“Because we make every component, we understand that real quality comes only from engagement in the every step of the entire manufacturing process. Seiko’s strength in manufacturing lies in its commitment to integrate every process from the ideas to the in-house production. A design with originality is not a watch. Only when it is finally crafted, manufactured and assembled in the manufacturing department does it deserve the name Seiko 5 Sports. We will always take pride in the words “Japanese manufacture,” which indicates Seiko’s sincere determination to manufacture truly practical watches for each customer. It’s not the easy way. It’s the best way.“ (Hiroshi Nakahara; Senior Vice President and Director, Seiko Instruments Inc.)

 

Let´s have a look at some pictures, together:









The difference in diameter is 4mm. Depending on your taste or what you are used to it is good or bad or just fine like in my case. When I got the FF back in 2007 I always thought it should be a few millimeters smaller, but today I realized that I thought the Seiko 5 could be a few millimeters bigger … - things change smile









On the wrist they are both comfortable, but one has to get used to the extra weight the FF comes with. The latter feels more solid, for a reason.


More pictures from different angles, just for comparison.









Both can catch the light very nice, but the Seiko is more easy to shoot because it is less curvy.










A nice finishing is shown on both models, but with obvious differences.










The only things the bracelets share are that they are made out of steel and both are comfy on the wrist. Both can do the job properly, but I could imagine something more professional for serious diving or convenience in both cases.










If you want a proper/sporty watch, what is needed at the end? We have one with almost reduced to the max approach and one for those with special attention to details.

 

Luminance is different as you can see.









One could say: “You get what you pay for.”

Well, I would say both watches offer great value for the money – even when they have differences.





The Seiko is a fun watch (only), you say? Let me disagree here.





Both are tool watches, aren´t they?









If you think different, it could be a paradigm – your paradigm.





Of course the steel used might be different and so are the thicknesses and the refinement. We also have Hardlex (type of hardened mineral crystal from Seiko) versus sapphire crystal, not to speak about the sapphire bezel of the FF. Only one has a screwed crown, noted. Without testing in extreme situations I would still say both are appropriate as a “tool” for most of the cases used by people like you and me – none professional divers or that kind.

 

































During my summer holiday at, above and in the lake I was happy to have both. Just for the pleasure of choice.









By the way, did I mention that I like the red details of both – even when the Seiko shows it only on Sunday …







Conclusion :

Both watches are fun to wear - especially for casual and sporty occasions.





Both watches work with simple and/or sophisticated accessories.










Which one do I prefer? To me it all depends on the given situation and the circumstances.





Best is to have both!

 

Was it appropriate to compare those two watches? I still think: Yes.

 

Both watches fit just right to their defined approach:


·         Seiko – “standard in accessibly priced mechanical watches”

·         Blancpain – “to fulfill the most sophisticated demands”



Are both the benchmarks in their class? Well, therefore we would have to look at some more watches and brands for direct comparison. Maybe one day we can do something like this … smile

 

Oliver

 

PS: I am aware that there is something like a (Franken) FiftyFive Fathoms (based on the Seiko) available, but I was not interested in this.


This message has been edited by small-luxury-world on 2014-09-09 05:32:35

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Awesomly awesome comparison...

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : September 9th, 2014-05:55
and the picture...the pictures are splendid in composition props and quality Amazing work dear friend Surely post to return to Yours D

D, thanks for your kind words!

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 10th, 2014-06:18
Best, O

Must be a small family ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : September 9th, 2014-07:05
... if you intend to transport it in a Suzuki LJ ... :) I love your review, and fully share your appreciation for the Seiko 5 - and for the Fifty Fathoms, of course, which I still esteem to be the most attractive dive watch ever built. Regards, Marcus

"FF ... the most attractive dive watch ever built"

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 10th, 2014-06:21
I can´t disagree here :-) Regarding the Suzuki and the family. Who said you can do it in one trip. Luggage and "old" people first ... :-) Best, Oliver

Excellent comparison of a pair of fine watches

 
 By: cazalea : September 9th, 2014-08:36
And as you say, both are desirable for the same (and different) reasons Cheers Cazalea

Cazaela, thanks for your kind reply.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 10th, 2014-06:22
Best, Oliver

Another great read Oliver...

 
 By: -RWK- : September 9th, 2014-10:03
I really enjoyed it. However my diver is a German ;-) Keep the great articles coming! Best, -- Richard. ...  

Richard, it is my pleasure to create posts for ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 10th, 2014-06:24
passionated people like you. Regarding your German diver, I have no experience with watches from Mühle. Is it great value for the money? So far I only see it looks good on your wrist :-) Best, Oliver

Ja! Very well made & the regulation is tops! :-)

 
 By: -RWK- : September 10th, 2014-14:20
Best, -- Richard.

Very good article Oliver. Placing the Seiko besire the Blancpain, actually...

 
 By: DivingT : September 9th, 2014-22:26
..shows off well the quality of the seiko case, dial, finishing. Very pleasent to read. Tony

Tony, thanks for your kind reply.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 10th, 2014-06:26
Best, Oliver

Very nice report.

 
 By: mkvc : September 9th, 2014-23:40
You didn't report on timekeeping; one hopes Blancpain's is better, although some people seem to think Seikos can be "tweaked" to very good accuracy.

"timekeeping ... accuracy" You are correct, I missed it here.

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 10th, 2014-06:34
The Fifty Fathoms used to be the most accurate watch in my possession, before sending it to its first sercice after more than six years. Now it is a little bit fast, but I am still undecided if I should send it back again. Accuracy is not the most importa... 

It seems you're making . . .

 
 By: Dr No : September 10th, 2014-14:05
. . . a philosophical point . . . . . . here, Oliver, as to whether disparately priced watches can be fairly compared. Prior to reading your review, I might've demurred. Now, I'm not so sure. :-)

Nice Report...

 
 By: SALMANPK : September 10th, 2014-15:25
I enjoyed reading it but for me not a fair match, I had this discussion with Mr. Markus: and If you can't source one locally or near you, I would be happy to send you my Seiko GS Diver SBGA031 if you want to do a more evenly matched comparison Then we ...  

I believe the point Oliver is trying to make . . .

 
 By: Dr No : September 11th, 2014-02:20
. . . is that value can be relative. The pleasure he gets from his Seiko is comparable to that received from his Blancpain, even though reason suggests differently. Sentience, or sapience?

Yes you are right...

 
 By: SALMANPK : September 11th, 2014-05:45
and I enjoyed learning about it. It has to be Sentience before Sapience. S

Salman, thanks a lot for your reply and your generous offer. Regarding ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 11th, 2014-03:14
your comment "... a more evenly matched comparison ...". That was not what I had in mind, but I get your point. When I thought about the Seiko 5 in general it was more like testing the Pizza Margherita, before ordering something more fancy. If they (still... 

Thank You...

 
 By: SALMANPK : September 11th, 2014-05:36
for the reply, I understand what you were trying to achieve with your comparison test and it is always interesting to see the results however would really like to see a comparison which is more equally matched or lets say a much more expensive Seiko and a... 

Nicely done, Oliver, and nicely photographed.

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : September 11th, 2014-09:09
I became a Seiko fan with the 44GS. It is of course another category entirely, but it opened my eyes to Seiko for the first time. Your enjoyment of the Seiko 5 will no doubt tempt me to try one, too! Best, CaliforniaJed