Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 1

Nov 12, 2018,21:07 PM
 

Hi Guys,


I've been teasing the Rolex Forum a bit with photos of two Tudor Submariners that I had the opportunity to clean and polish. Now I can tell you some of the story behind those watches, and a few other watches I've been happy to play around with.

US NAVY SEALS

As most of us know, the US Navy has some developed some special forces to perform Sea Land Air operations. They're commonly known as SEALs. These men used to be called Underwater Demolition Teams (UDT) or Frogmen. Note that I say men because there are no women in the SEAL teams; in fact more than 80% of the men who apply are dropped during training.

San Diego area (Coronado) is the home of SEAL teams 1, 3, 5 & 7. The even-numbered teams on are based on the East Coast. From these home bases, Naval Special Warfare Squadrons or Special Operations Task Forces fan out to any sphere of operations in the world, working with cooperative forces from other countries and alliances such as NATO. At other times they cooperate with the CIA, FBI or other political groups within the US government. Basically they kick the butts of selected targets.



OK, enough of the overview.  

I've got a few friends who have served in the US Navy as SEAL team members. These guys, all now retired, don't hear too well any more, can't walk in a straight line very far, don't give a hoot about being "politically-correct," but can drink their fair share of beer, and are filled with stories and legends. And some of them have watches dating back to their time of service.



DISCLAIMERS

I have not personally served in the Navy, although my father was a Navy aviator. We do live in a "Navy town" and have many friends in the US Armed Forces.

I am not a Rolex expert. I am not a certified Rolex technician. I can't speak for the authenticity of any of the watches shown here. All I can say is these watches came from men who are wearing them today, and say they have had them since new. 

I simply clean, adjust and wear these watches. Some may have been serviced before, and may have had dials, hands, straps, and other parts replaced with non-original parts. None of the watches are for sale now and none of them are likely to ever be available for sale. 

Given their history, we are lucky the darn things are still operational (the men and the watches).


"OFFICAL" SEAL WATCHES

It would be nice to think that any SEAL could choose any watch he wanted, for any purpose. But they didn't, can't and don't. Due to the price of Swiss mechanical watches, it's unlikely any SEAL other than the odd Admiral would be wearing one of these (photo from our forums a few years ago):



It may be that some of the guys you saw in the Act Of Valor movie, were wearing JLCs. They were given these watches for the filming. 

I was told today by "Senior Chief Otto"  "They gave everyone a watch BUT me. I was in Germany, working!  Please could you tell them I need one..."  

He sends his best wishes and says for a real SEAL a WristScan would be done like this. You might NOT want to be the photographer, Casey... (photo from the web)

 

I found this paragraph on a military watch website and it summarizes my understanding of the situation regarding WHICH watches are "official SEAL issue." None.

"I have not read the law on this but it is certainly my impression that most badges, emblems, etc, of the military are NOT protected by copyrights, trademarks, etc., and can be used pretty openly. There are laws that prohibit reproducing certain medals but even those get legally circumvented by making a "replica" at say, 90% scale. If you want to use the Trident I'm sure that you can find a way to do so without fear of legal action. If you want to say that your widget is used by Navy SEALs all you need to do is get a letter from one SEAL testifying that he has carried your widget on operations. All he has to do is carry it in his pack, once, and it has been used by Navy SEALs on operations. Spin away."

So I'm not going to talk about "official" watches. I'd rather report on "actual" watches.


A FEW "ACTUAL" SEAL WATCHES


GARY
This watch belongs to Gary, who started me off on this SEAL-watch-restoration journey. He's at far left with the other original TEAM ONE guys, in 1962. I was about 11 years old then. BTW he's not extremely tall, he's standing on a curb to enhance his stance.



I've spent a lot of time with Gary in the past 10 years due to me selling him one of my 2CVs ...





 and him taking us out on his boat, JASON.




He recalls having several Tudor watches which he had to return when he left the SEALs. So he bought this one for about $100. He thinks it was in the mid-Sixties. 




Gary was part of SEAL Team One which was the first crew of SEALs, who followed the Frogmen and/or Underwater Demolition teams. 




Here's Gary,  wearing his watch while playing a bit part in the 1977 B movie Tentacles. 

If you can't remember that one, here's the plot summary: 

"An enormous and angry octopus besieges San Diego after a greedy construction owner (Henry Fonda) made a tunnel out into the ocean and disturbed its home. Bo Hopkins, Shelley Winters and John Huston go out to sea along with some trained killer whales to track down and kill the octopus..." 

He had been hired to ferry equipment and food out into the ocean where filming was taking place. At some point they needed a guy to respond to the Sheriff's question "Do you know if the kids are safe?" Since the director didn't want to pay Gary for a speaking part, they simply filmed his well-practiced "Who me?" shrug. 

 

I've had to fix this watch several times as he's extremely active and always bashing it up on his boat.




Here's a double-wrist shot with my Rolex.




I think this is getting too long for a single post.

 

I hope you don't mind a few photos of SEAL activities, and an extra submarine photo




If you are still interested, please take the time to read parts 2, 3 and 4.

Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 1

Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 2

Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 3

Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 4

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Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 2

 
 By: cazalea : April 21st, 2015-11:33
In this series I am providing some background on US Navy SEALs and their Rolex, Tudor and Seiko watches. In this post I'd like to focus on a particular gentleman name Moki Martin, who brought me some Tudors to refresh. Here we are: Gary, Mrs C, and Moki. ...  

One of the best posts I've read on this board

 
 By: ChristianDK : February 22nd, 2017-20:28
In the 13 years I have been here. A big thank you for putting together this, and sharing these wonderful and fascinating stories. Sincerely Christian

Thank you very much

 
 By: cazalea : February 22nd, 2017-21:06
Moki is a great guy and it\'s a privilege for me to share his stories, while the sun is still shining... Cazalea ...  

Moki‘s stainless steel bracelet from the Philippines

 
 By: stromer : May 23rd, 2019-11:38
Dear Cazalea, my wife and myself are currently spending our vacation in California and are staying with friends in the Sacramento area before heading south. Our friend retired as a Colonel from U.S. Army after serving in different joint operations and pro... 

Good observations & the answers

 
 By: cazalea : May 23rd, 2019-13:26
Moki just confirmed the details for me. MOKI's bracelet with curved wings and parachute was a very early model, and designed by an Army Special Forces guy who was in the Philippines - hence the tanks and curved wings. At a reunion a couple years ago I got...  

Thanks a lot, Cazalea and Moki!

 
 By: stromer : May 24th, 2019-10:09
That‘s what I would call a complete answer to a question! It is so interesting to hear the details behind a story My friend earned his own jump wings (Army) during his career and was quite interested to heat how this story would go. Thanks again, also fro... 

Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 3

 
 By: cazalea : April 21st, 2015-11:35
This is Part 3 of my report on Navy SEALs and their watches. It's time to look at the Seiko dive watch worn by a recently-retired SEAL today. Still in his Forties, my most-recently-retired SEAL friend is named Derrick. A 26-year veteran of the US Navy and...  

Navy SEALs and their Watches, Part 4

 
 By: cazalea : April 21st, 2015-11:40
This is the final segment of my study of the Rolex, Seiko and Tudor watches worn by US Navy SEAL team members (retired). I will conclude with some watches that belong to gentlement I don't know well. I have taken photos of their Rolexes while servicing th...  

Please Please Please expand and give us some more!!!

 
 By: ik2000 : April 21st, 2015-12:26
Absolutely riveting reading, you've given us access to the personal world of individuals that is usually shrouded in either secrecy, or 'myths'! Thoroughly enjoyed every word, and would definitely read more! I guess I just find these guys a pleasant relie... 

Epic post dear Mike

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : April 21st, 2015-13:05
Do we really need to answer Your last question? :) Sincerely D

Thank you for these great stories! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : April 21st, 2015-15:17
Very enjoyable read! Best Blomman

What a thread!

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 21st, 2015-15:17
These articles are fantastic to read. The watches look incredible and full of historical "material". Thanks a lot for this work. Cheers, Mark

Naval vessels very stealthy these days

 
 By: MTF : April 21st, 2015-15:55
These are not even the stealthiest ones made.... ...  

I put in some of the stealthier ones, but you must have missed them

 
 By: cazalea : April 21st, 2015-18:14
they are so stealthy, they are invisible! Actually the Navy trains sea lions and dolphins and beluga whales to help with surveillance of its ships. We see these trainers in action - a pair of outboards with red/orange patches are the giveaway sign that tr...  

Wow, Mike!

 
 By: mkvc : April 21st, 2015-23:27
I enjoy my watch hobby, but I have to admit your watch hobby is much more interesting than mine. Thanks for another superb series.

Thank you

 
 By: Mally : April 22nd, 2015-01:42
for this excellent post and great insight into the lives of these very brave men (& their watches, of course!) Cordially Mally

Amazing thread Mike!

 
 By: andrewluff : April 23rd, 2015-09:40
I enjoyed reading every word and the accompanying stories and pictures. Thanks for taking the time and sharing this information with us... it is amazing these stories which are now shared as it will be a shame for them to be lost one day. Cheers Andrew

amazing read...

 
 By: ocwatching : April 23rd, 2015-13:11
thanks for this... Thank you to all the service folks that protect this land...

Trading war stories for watch stories.

 
 By: patrick_y : April 26th, 2015-12:21
Nice stories! And nice watches! Does any Navy Seal wear a single JLC Seal Watch?

OK, more stories

 
 By: cazalea : April 21st, 2015-13:38
A couple short stories from Brownie, the USAF flier: We didn't have reason to get into the higher regions of supersonic flight when we were flying missions at our home base in the US. In Spain, however, an opportunity arose where we were asked to take our...  

Great stories! (nt)

 
 By: MTF : April 21st, 2015-15:49
:-)

We should not forget that Blancpain provided some great watches to the SEALs.

 
 By: amanico : April 21st, 2015-13:51
The Milspec: The TR 900: Super post, Mike! Best, Nicolas ...  

"Blancpain provided...watches...to the SEAL's..." curious for more details

 
 By: ThomasM : April 23rd, 2015-16:43
Hi Nico, provided as in gifted to individual team member, or...

Wow now that is some great reporting.

 
 By: Bill : April 21st, 2015-22:12
There is so much to absorb i need to patiently read through but as a fan of Rolex and the real life stories from original owners is so cool. So many thanks to the kind men who shared their stories and for your kind patience in listening and sharing. Bill

What a fascinating topic!

 
 By: pingtsai : April 21st, 2015-22:40
Amazing report Mike. The whole military culture is so interesting so it's great to see that they appreciate watches too. Great job, bravo.

A very Fantastic series and fine images,

 
 By: DonWishnow ( Wish) : April 22nd, 2015-18:35
My wife and I had a family Friend (May he Rest in Peace) that was in UDT and went on to become a Navy Diver. Saw many practice run when I would visit Hampton Roads, VA. Please continue this very fine series and Thank You. Bravo Zulu to the Members.

Great thread !

 
 By: RobCH : April 23rd, 2015-07:37
Thanks

That was true fun to read, Mike!

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : April 23rd, 2015-17:24
After reading your post, who can deny that our watches are often a true reflection or our personalities? Best, Jed

Thank you very much Cazalea

 
 By: Gelato Monster : November 13th, 2018-00:32
The best story of watch and owners. Thank you to all Serviceman

Cool write up!

 
 By: claes_t : November 13th, 2018-02:26
Being former Swedish navy my self, I’m pleased to see a Swedish boat in the first picture.

Absolutely brilliant post

 
 By: farhad19620 : November 13th, 2018-06:12
one of the best I have read on any watch forum. Thank you.