A View on the Universal Genève Polerouter Sub.

Jul 07, 2009,13:21 PM
 


Let's first give back to Cesar what belongs to Cesar.

Ervin PIQUEREZ gave birth in the 60ies to a new family of Diving watches, the Super Compressor Cases, with his invention patended on the 15th May 1956.

He was not a watch maker, but a case manufacturer.

To fully understand the interest and importance of Mr Piquerez invention, I made a search on the net and found AT LEAST 15 ( !!! ) brands which used this case:

Benrus, Bulova, Lip, Droz, Sandoz, Fortis, Edox, Enicar, Wittnauer, Hamilton, IWC ( the Ref 812, but it came with a 37mm case ), Bucherer, Longines, Jaeger Lecoultre, Vulcain and Universal Genève, with the Polerouter Sub.

Some examples:

The Sandoz Super Compressor:

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Enicar Super Dive:

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One of my favourite, the Bulova ( don't know who to credit for, sadly ):

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It may be taken as a biased view, but to me, if the Polaris is the King of the Super Compressor watches, some are nice Princes, like the Longines Diver or the U.G Polerouter Sub.

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What is the D.N.A of a Super Compressor case?

Basically, an enhanced water resistance due to the special conception of the case and of the sealing gasket, a round ( and in the seventies it may also have been a cushion ) shaped case, with 2 crowns and an inner bezel, ( one ofr the movement, one which is used to turn the bezel ) sometimes 3, like on the JLC Polaris ( the third crown being used for the alarm )..

This said, let's speak about one of these Super Compressor Cases, the U.G Polerouter Sub.

This is certainly a very elegant Diving Watch, with a quite thin case, compared to the Longines or to the Polaris, a domed plexy ,and a nice, simple, legible and strong looking dial.

Here, you can see the relative thinness of the case, the 2 impressive crowns with the characterisitic gridwork, and the whole volume of the watch ( the case is 42mm, by the way ) :

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The shape of the lugs and of the case is very close to other Super Compressor watches, but we always look at them with great pleasure.

A strong, clean, simple even sensual look, due to these sweet curves:

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Which is specific to this watch is the dial, first, then the movement.

As the eyes are the mirror of the Human Soul, we could say that the dial is the soul of a watch, and it is particularly exact with this U.G Polerouter, don't you think?

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You will notice the rough but exciting finish of the dial, these Gilt writings, and the gorgeous patina of the indexes.

While the minute and hour hands are always the same, I noticed some differences with the second hand, which was sometimes white and a bit short, white and and bit longer, or silver, thin, but normally sized.

Here are the pics I found here and there ( which leads me in the impossibility to credit them, sorry, except Steve's G pics, which I know by heart ):

Normally sized White Second hand, and beautiful patina of the dial, which looks like " grainé " and turning a bit brown.

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Another Polerouter Sub I took in pic, with a short white Second Hand and a matter black dial which fades to grey:

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An exceptional Polerouter Sub which turns to burgundy ( partially ), coming with its original SS Bracelet.

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Some macros to admire the Finish of the dial, the golden writings and the exceptional patina ( you will also notice the particular " U " of " Sub ", designed like a Trident ) :

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And here a Macro of the whole dial...

Don't know how to desricbe this patina, Stardust, grainé, pailleté, whatever you call it, it is just gorgeous!

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The 2d sepcifity of this watch is certainly the movement, a nice and iteresting Micro Rotor, which was ( and still is ) not that current.

If I got it well, the first Polerouter Sub came with a Caliber 215, while the later ones housed a derived movement of the 215, the Cal 69.

Here it is , cased:

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And now, some macros to have a deeper look on this special micro rotor movement, whose plate and bridge are quite nicely finished, with Geneva Stripes, and anglages.

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A view on the Micro Rotor:

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You will see that the part of the plate which is located just above the micro rotor is shaped like this last one.

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In a Diving Watch, I think that the use of a Micro Rotor is unique...At least, to my knowledge.

Wearing it is a pleasure.

The watch is perfectly centered on the wrist, not that heavy, and quite thin, with a domed plexy, but not as thick as the Polaris or Longines Diver.

Actually, it has a great presence on the wrist.

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I will end this post by adding that this watch which was also used by the US Navy, in the Sixties, which certainly represents a kind of recognition.

One of the nicest Super Compressor diving watches, for sure.

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Hope you will enjoy the post,

Best.

Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-07-07 13:23:27 This message has been edited by AnthonyTsai on 2009-07-08 07:29:18

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How no to enjoy this post??...Impressive!!

 
 By: E.J. : July 7th, 2009-13:51
Wow, Nicolas... What a post! Simply a great work made, for us pleasure and watches's learn. I must say that the compressor case watches are one of the most beautiful families ever made... Some Hits in this family like the jlc, the LOngines, Iwc, or the sa... 

Like you, Emilio, I love these Super Compressor a lot

 
 By: amanico : July 7th, 2009-23:59
It is my personal taste, but I love this round shape, the sexy plexy, and this characteristic design from the 60ies. Therefore, for once, they are, for most of them, very affordable. So you don't have to sell your house to get one. Thanks for your nice wo... 

I'm deeply impressed by your knowledge, Nicolas !

 
 By: Emmanuel H : July 7th, 2009-13:58
Very interesting post, far beyond my horological knowledge, but I appreciated reading it. Thanks ! Emmanuel

Not a special knowledge, Emmanuel

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-04:56
Just the pleasure to learn and to share! You know the saying: " When something is nice and interesting, you have no merit to speak about it "... Thanks for the nice words. Best, Nicolas

Brilliant post as always Nicolas

 
 By: emcquillan : July 7th, 2009-14:02
I am wearing my Legend Diver today while I read and admired your presentation on this UG vintage beauty. Great pictures and perhaps the perfect strap (wrist pic) to complete the vintage look. I find the thinness of this particular compressor case quite in... 

A great caliber, a nice dial ,sexy case and plexy

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-05:02
What's not to love? Yes, you're right when you point out the thinness of the case, much thinner than on the Plaris or the Longines! You can proudly wear your Longines Diver, this is another great example of these Compressor Case watches! Best, my friend, ... 

Superb

 
 By: JatG : July 7th, 2009-14:46
Nicolas, you have opened my eyes to a whole new style of watch. J.

'Evening Nic'....

 
 By: Catherine. : July 7th, 2009-17:14
I'm afraid i still feel a little bit unsure about throwing great eulogies at this family of watch. Looking in the back of nearly all the 42mm variants leaves me with the feeling the cases were purposefully sized to ensure that one size fitted all and that... 

It does appear....

 
 By: Catherine. : July 8th, 2009-02:38
...somebody within UG had similar thoughts, in a very short space of time (even in a short model run length) the company decided to sack the design and reduce the size in one sitting. Schaffhausen came to the party a little later and may have had by then ... 

Hello again, Catherine

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-05:38
You're a difficult client, indeed! There are several points: 1/ As for the " uniformity " of the 42 mm cases, yes, you're right, but the sources are to be find on the Piquerez Patent ( 1956 ), if I got it correctly. 2/ Does this " architecture " work for ... 

i've never been called a ...

 
 By: Catherine. : July 8th, 2009-06:59
...."Client" before Nic...least not on a internet forum. Not sure about difficult either, afterall i'm here to chat watches and this is a watch forum not the shopping channel (wink). I perhaps have got you too legged into my point because my opinion in th... 

LOL, Catherine

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-07:11
" Good Client " in French means "easy to convince ". A Great watch may have also different meanings: It may be great for its aesthetic, for the level of finish, for the originality / Innovation, and also because it became an iconic watch. Yes, the FF are ... 

Thanks for chat/write-up Nic...

 
 By: Catherine. : July 8th, 2009-07:37
...i like the styling of UG product....they remind me of Citroen cars for some reason. Take care fella Catherine.

That's why we're all here, Jat G

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-05:06
To discover and learn new things, every day. These one may represent an interesting and original alternative to the most known Rolex Subs, Fifty Fathoms or Omega SM 300. Enjoy, and thanks for your enthusiastic comment. Best, Nicolas

Make that at least 16!

 
 By: Tony C. : July 7th, 2009-19:28
Excellent post, Nicolas....  

Touché . . .

 
 By: Dr No : July 7th, 2009-22:30
. . . and very likely the most intriguing of the lot . . . cordially, Art

Wow, Tony

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-05:47
May you tell us ore about this one? More pics, too? I was secretely hoping that some, here, would feed this thread with more compressor watches, and you didn't deceive me! Best, Nicolas

Hi Nicolas...

 
 By: Tony C. : July 8th, 2009-08:27
This watch is not mine, but was sold some time ago by a dealer from whom I have bought watches. I found the dial to be very interesting, but never researched its exact use. Best regards, Tony

Tony, the dial has a decompression chart on it

 
 By: G99 : July 8th, 2009-10:57
i'm not a diver so cant tell you a lot, but its intended to match depth with time stops so you know how long to stop for at which depth. the new Vulcain Cricket nautical has it on as well. Graham

Thanks for checking, Graham . . .

 
 By: Dr No : July 9th, 2009-09:37
. . . much appreciated. Cordially, Art

Once again....

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 7th, 2009-19:45
a great report Compressors are impressive cases Thanks Cheers

Thanks for your nice words, Pink Panther

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-05:50
I don't know if the report is great, but the watches are...At least! Best, Nicolas

your reports....

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 8th, 2009-10:23
usually are... Cheers

The UG micro-rotor movements were not only intriguing . . .

 
 By: Dr No : July 7th, 2009-23:22
. . . for their compact integrated planetary bi-directional rotor, but also because they had exceptionally long power reserves for a single barrel design. I've been drawn to the UG (and Buren) micro-rotors for quite some time now, and as much as Nicolas a... 

More movement info?

 
 By: vernon : July 8th, 2009-03:17
I'd be pleased to learn more about the movement. Is it unique to UG or is it based on something else. I'm of course familiar with the more modern Patek and LUC movements with micro-rotors but know nothing about this movement. It looks interesting. Thanks ... 

The Micro Rotor was used on several Universal Geneve movements and watches

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-04:51
All the Polerouer, Sub, or not: Cal 215, 218, 1- 69, and 72 used this special configuration. The first movement used in the Polerouter was the cal 138, it didn't have the micro rotor, but a bumper system. It seems that Buren also worked on a micro rotor, ... 

Stunning calibers indeed

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-05:55
I'm rating its accuracy and the first results are really awesome! Best, my dear friend. Nicolas

I don't have any personal experience with either, Magnus, but . . .

 
 By: Dr No : July 8th, 2009-09:14
. . . they are more similar than not, starting with dimensions (both 12.5 "', movement height was shallower in the UG 215 by .10 mm at 4.10 mm vs 4.20 in the Buren 1000A) and with very similar bidirectional winding systems that were the subject of a paten... 

Nicolas, this is an excellent post, as always.

 
 By: FrancescoR : July 8th, 2009-07:39
Clear, crisp, technical and passionate; a pleasure to read. Congratulations. Best regards, Francesco

Wow, thanks a lot for the nice words, Francesco

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-07:45
I tried to do my best to give some justice with my poor Borat English to this less known Compressor Watch. We ( I, in fact ) speak too often about the Polaris, but this line hides so many treasures to (re )discover. Recently I fell on a Lip Nautic with an... 

Borat english???

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 8th, 2009-10:29
I beg to differ : ) Cheers

?????

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 8th, 2009-19:11

That's a Borat saying

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-21:45
" If you're kind enough with me, I will let you use my Sister "... Horrible...Just Horrible. Best, Nicolas

Can we expect to see a modern interpretation...

 
 By: dxboon : July 8th, 2009-08:21
...of this fantastic vintage piece at some future date from Universal Geneve? What are your thoughts? The company does still exist as a watchmaking concern, does it not? A re-edition of the UG Polerouter Sub could be an interesting project indeed. It woul... 

I agree.....

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 8th, 2009-10:41
a re-edition would be very interesting Cheers

I don't know but I would like a lot to

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-12:26
See U.G Releasing such a re edition. Can you imagine? We would have U.G joining the club of the re editited compressr watches, after Longines, JLC, and IWC. Like in the golden hours of Horology! Dreams are made to be realized... Best, Daos. Nicolas

I was not so....

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 8th, 2009-19:13
impressed with the IWC vintage diver..... Cheers

Yes, Pink Panther

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-22:15
Much bigger than the original, less the Charm... Sad. Nicolas

it is not...

 
 By: MiniCooper : July 9th, 2009-04:45
so much the size as the whole ambiance that this watch projects to me.... Cheers

Agreed, Pink Panther

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2009-05:53
That is the Harmony of this watch which speaks to me a lot, too. Best, Nicolas

very informative post...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : July 8th, 2009-10:00
thanks a lot, Nico. well done for a great post again. enjoyed reading that, the great thing was to learn something new as well. after seeing all these, i am getting much like this kind of sub watches, i should start to hunt one for my collection. thanks f... 

the Polaris is not the King of the Compressors Nico, you are :)

 
 By: G99 : July 8th, 2009-10:55
a great review of a great watch. the super compressor case is a excellent design and add the micro rotor movement you have something superb indeed. i have my eye on a 64 UG polerouter non sub single crown with 218-2 calibre. no where near the history of a... 

well, I think that U.G still produces micro rotors as well as

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-13:32
Chopard, if I'm not wrong, and of course...Patek Philippe: Cal 240! Thanks for the nice words, my friend, but I still thin soem, here and there, much deserve this honorific title! Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-07-08 13:33:1... 

Now, Stefan, that is a compliment!

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-13:29
If I convinced you to hunt one, that is the nicest compliment someone may give me! Thanks a lot, and good hunt, my friend. Check the condition of the crowns, and the movement, too. And avoid these crappy Polerouter subs with a military engraving " Ordonna... 

would you believe i saw...

 
 By: G99 : July 8th, 2009-13:41
would you believe i saw one for sale only 2 days ago. pm for details. Graham

hi Graham, can PM me the details as well? [nt]

 
 By: FanFrancisco : July 8th, 2009-22:42
No message body

Yes, these pseudo military spot on, from time to time.

 
 By: amanico : July 8th, 2009-13:50
A shame! Best, Nicolas

many thanks for the further info...

 
 By: FanFrancisco : July 8th, 2009-22:41
Nico, you are not only inspired me about sub watches, but also other ones, e.g. geomatic which i am still hunting for... thanks once again. stefan

Now, some new pics of the watch after the service:

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2009-02:27
Perfect... Best, Nicolas...  

A beauty which has improved with age....

 
 By: tempusfugit : July 9th, 2009-03:58
A very informative post, Nicolas. And she went from being a beauty to absolutely gorgeous following the servicing. I think the thinness of the case makes UG stand out against the others. Nice to see UG featured on the forum. tempusfugit This message has b... 

Hi, Tempusfugit

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2009-05:38
I was lucy enogh to know a good wath maker who was able to impeccably service it. So, the outcome is stunning, indeed. As for U.G, I can't agree more with you. So many marvels came out from this Manufacture, like the Polerouter, sub or not, and different ... 

What a great post - I love my UG Polerouter Sub!

 
 By: Darren : July 9th, 2009-09:31
Thanks for this wonderful post Nicolas. I recently purchased one of these as well, it really knocked my socks off. I don't think I'll ever sell this one - far more impressive in person that I expected. The compressor case, the dial, the iconic movement, e... 

Wow, Darren!

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2009-10:22
Very happy to know that you jumped on it, my friend. Any chance to get pics of yours? I can't agree more on your appreciation on this watch. All is here, to make of this watch a GREAT watch, at least to me. Best, Nicolas

As a fan of EPSA cases

 
 By: BDLJ : July 9th, 2009-21:27
I have to say thanks for posting this. The biggest trouble with these cases is trying to find one that hasn't had it's caseback scratched up by someone who had no idea how to open the case. Then they get heavily polished out and lose all the interesting m... 

My pleasure, Ben

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2009-22:23
Yes, thi swould be interesting to have the complete list of Super Compressor Cases, and Single crown compressor watches. We will discover names we hardly now or hear about... This may be a thread for you, my friend. With PICS! Best, Nicolas

And to end with this topic, a last ...Wristshot.

 
 By: amanico : July 9th, 2009-23:56
Isn't it sexy? Best, Nicolas...  

Next generation Polrouter Sub....

 
 By: Bill Sohne : July 12th, 2009-10:21
Hi Nicolas Great post !!! After the Super compressor ..... UG came out with the following... Then next version of the Polrouter Sub.... departure of the supercompressor case... Hi all This was the interm version before the bigger asymmetrical case that fo...  

Bill, you seem to have...

 
 By: G99 : July 12th, 2009-11:44
Bill, you seem to have every vintage piece we mention :) i've just picked up a 1964 UG Polerouter date. one of the last 218-2 calibres as they bought out the 69 the same year. luckily the inside of the case is clearly month/year stamped. just got to wait ... 

Hey Graham my favorite is the UG Super Polerouter....

 
 By: Bill Sohne : July 12th, 2009-12:07
Hi Graham This is a STRONG very much UG answer to the 1016 Rolex Explorer... screw down crown The dial discoloration was due to the fitting of the incorrect crystal.. I have corrected that .. Something to keep an eye out for... Hey Graham you know from ti...  

nice one Bill. not quite...

 
 By: G99 : July 12th, 2009-13:10
nice one Bill. not quite the same as mine as yours is the 'super' and slightly later, but pretty much the same. mine has a black dial with chromed index ring. no bracelet sadly. if you find anything from that particular year i'd be very interested, but i'... 

ok single crown supercompressor...

 
 By: Bill Sohne : July 12th, 2009-11:48
Hi guys here is my example of a single crown super compressor... and the caseback.... Simple ... Good Hunting Bill Sohne...  

Fabulous Post

 
 By: duck : November 18th, 2009-19:10
What an interesting post. Just what I was looking for. I have just bought my first Polerouter Sub and I have a couple of questions. The Sub I bought has a 218 cal movement. Is this the correct calibre for the Sub? I LOVE the distressed tan leather strap o... 

Duck,   the Polerouter specialist...

 
 By: G99 : November 19th, 2009-02:38
Duck, the Polerouter specialist website i always refer too states that the double crown model had a 215 and then 68 calibre movements in them. as the 218 follows the 215 and comes before the 68 its entirely possible that they also used the 218. best Graha...