Upgrading the collection -- sold, bought, and held

Oct 21, 2011,23:32 PM
 

Greetings to all! 

As some of you may recall (and my watch buddies know all too well, having heard from me about it virtually nonstop this year), my participation in the January watch festivities in Switzerland served as a real wake-up call.  Talking with collectors I respect, seeing great pieces everywhere, and considering my own holdings, I came to the conclusion that it was time for me to consolidate my collection and go up-market -- fewer, but more treasured pieces.

I've posted a few times over the past months on this journey, mostly in response to others' topics, highlighting the criteria that I have been trying to apply (mostly having to do with whether the watch in question represents the essence of its maker).  I'm not saying that the watches I sold are "bad" and the ones I've bought or kept are "good" -- far from it, in fact, as I really miss many of the departed!  Some tough choices had to be made, however, and this is the record...

What follows are the sold watches, the purchased and incoming watches, and the pre-existing pieces that I kept -- concluding with a few observations and reflections.  I'd welcome comments on any or all, including thoughts on whether you would have made the same choices.

Here goes -- no longer calling my wrist, safe, or safe deposit box home (but, hopefully, bringing joy to their new owners) are:

1. Speake-Marin Shimoda RG No. 1, with the violet foundation hand done especially for me by Peter.  Selling this one hurt:



2. The Speake-Marin Thalassa LE in WG.  A great watch, but at the end of the day just not right for me, especially given the need to raise funds for incoming pieces.  Sold this one earlier this week and the new owner has already worn it more days than I did...


3. Panerai Ferrari FER013.  OK, this one might fall into the "what was I thinking" category, but in fairness it wore well, was beautifully made (note the knurled crown and pusher guards that match the accessory knobs on a Ferrari) and I do own the matching car, so I'm not a complete poseur:



4. UN Executive Dual Time in SS with ceramic bezel.  A really striking watch on which I got many compliments -- but just wore too big for me.



5. Parmigiani Kalpa Grande in SS.  I owned both the bracelet and strap with deployant for this watch, and kept switching them back and forth to try to make me love the watch.  I originally bought the Hebdomidaire, thought it might be too big, and swapped it for this watch.  Should have kept the Hebdo, which has that gorgeous form movement and I would likely still own.  I also opted for the polished bracelet on this one, which was a bit much -- had I kept the watch I would have had them brush the center links.



6. Parmigiani Kalpagraph, SS with silver/black face.  Saw a photo of this one in a booklet and bought it even before its formal introduction.  Like the UN Executive, a great watch but just wore too big on my wrist (partially due to the case shape).  This watch is actually bigger than the Hebdo, which again (in hindsight) likely was the right choice.



7.  UN Monopusher in RG -- the non-LE, but still with the FPJ-designed movement.  I wore this one a fair amount, and miss it -- but relative to the chronos I replaced it with, no contest.


8.  JLC Memovox (prior generation) in RG.  Oddly enough, I miss this one almost as much as the Shimoda!  Something about that gorgeous blued center seconds hand swinging around the dial and the massive, solid backed RG case.  It wore bigger than its 36mm size, and was really cleanly made.  There are lots of days now when I would love to pull this one out of the box and strap it on.


9.  Last but not least, the VC OS Dual Time in YG, on the massive YG bracelet.  Otherwise known fondly as the "Bling Special," although the brushed bracelet and upper case surface tone down the watch a lot.  My wife detested this piece, but I wore it a lot!  Had a real "man of substance" feel about it, along with a guilty pleasure aspect -- and the weight was marvelous.  I sold this one right before the price of gold skyrocketed and everyone and his brother started touting YG as the next PT...



Farewell to thee, old friends!  So -- on to happier things.  I would like to say that the following additions and incoming pieces were fully funded by the above, but if you want to think about whether I am getting a fair exchange, please visualize a few bags of Swiss Francs here, added on to the war chest raised by the above divestitures.  That said, here's what I added (and am expecting):

1.  VC OS Chrono, SS/Titanium.  I wanted to have a robust daily wearer that would be great for weekends, suitable for business casual daily wear, and something that I could wear lots of days per year for a long time.  Having looked at the Fifty Fathoms, IWC Inge, Royal Oak (well, not really as for some reason I've never warmed to it -- sorry), even a pre-owned PP 5085, I was drawn back to VC.  A home run, in my opinion -- everyone who sees this watch loves it, and for me it's going to be a fantastic "beater."  Looks good on both the leather and rubber straps, and I've just ordered the SS bracelet with the Maltese Cross links so that I won't jones for the Bling Special too badly.  Bought new at my favorite VC AD.


2.  ALS Datograph in RG.  I won't go on too much about this one, but when lots of folks say "Lange," they think "Dato."  Of course, they mostly think "Platinum Dato," but I'm still enough of a contrarian that I don't care.  Bought pre-owned through a well-known private (oxymoron alert!) dealer.


3.  Speaking of Platinum, here's the Mighty Lange Double Split (why they leave the word "mighty" out of their marketing collateral is a mystery to me, as the very word must have been coined to describe this watch).  Oddly enough, it does not wear too big for me -- sits great on the wrist, has the same (or even greater?) heft than the Bling Special, and the movement is out of this world.  Bought at auction through one of the world's leading auction houses, who were in my opinion not entirely forthcoming about the true condition of the watch.  Now enjoying a spa trip to Glashutte, from whence it will emerge as-new and with a full 2 year warranty:



And, just because I feel like it, a group shot of the movements of these prior two:



4.  Moving right along: the Vianney Halter Antiqua, in RG with PT dials.  Sublime, and one of the very few watches that in my opinion can actually be considered an "icon."  Bought from another collector in a deal brokered through folks who heard I was looking for one of these -- for once in my life it's nice to be in the "deal flow"


Then, two pieces that are incoming (one perhaps somewhat sooner than the other), both very eagerly awaited. 

1.  Vyskocil V 30/49-01-A (now there's a name that trips off the tongue, eh?)  Like Natalie Wood in "Miracle on 34th Street," I believe -- I believe -- I believe!  Mine will be in YG, although I have to admit that this white metal one with black face looks pretty tasty.  When this baby finally arrives, it will be the greatest watch story ever!  Photo credit to Don Corson:



2. Mystery Watch from Noted Nordic Watchmaker -- Hoping against hope for January 2012 pick-up on this one -- I promise less blurry photos when it arrives!



If you are still with me at this point, you have some endurance!  Time for a quick look at the keepers from my starting collection.  As Mr. Anderson famously said to Beavis and Butt-Head when he hired them to do yard work: "Remember boys, it's not what you prune -- it's what you leave behind that matters!"  In that instance, they toppled a tree onto Mr. Anderson's house -- but I digress.  Survivors from my starting point:

1-5.  The other members of my "big 6" from earlier this year:  In addition to the Dato, which I had by then, the VC Malte Squelette, AP Equation of Time, Voutilainen Observatoire, JLC Reverso Repetition Minutes, and Speake-Marin Fighting Time, with the great Kees Engelbarts dial.


6.  The original JLC Geographique, in YG -- a watch that I "had to have" and eventually tripped over at the Brussels Airport, of all places.


7.  The JLC Master Ultra Thin, in SS.  In addition to being an all-time classic in my opinion, it's also a gift from my wife -- so it ain't going smile.  Great to wear this one and the Double Split on consecutive days.  A rare (for me) online grey market purchase.


8.  An original-version Omega Ploprof Seamaster 600.  Never fails to bring a grin to my face, and one of the only two "sport" watches (if you count the VC Chrono) that I have left.  Hmm...might have to do something about that...  Bought online from another collector.


9 and 10.  Two great wearing watches from Habring, the original Jump Seconds and the Sincere Chrono with the wild burgundy dial.  I do have a steel bracelet for the Chrono, so perhaps it qualifies as a third "sport" watch depending on the season and configuration.  Both bought through Collectors' Marketplace on PuristS.


I've left out a few (my Accutron Spaceview, the Bucherer that was the first watch I ever bought for myself, 40 years ago, etc.) but the above is pretty much the SOTC as of now.  There are two other watches that I'm angling to buy from friends (one sportier bracelet watch and one classic dress watch) but those are perhaps left for another day!

A few comments/observations for anyone who is still with me:

1. Even though I bought all of the watches recently sold as expenditures rather than investments, I still ended up doing OK: for the 9 watches sold, I recaptured just over 85 percent of my original purchase prices.  3 out of the 9 sold for what I paid or slightly above; the worst I did was 55 percent of the original price.

2. My purchasing patterns have changed over time.  All of the 9 watches I just sold were bought new, 8 of those purchased through ADs.  My "keepers" are more of a mix, and for the 8 pieces added in the past 12 months or incoming, 5 were pre-owned, 2 are coming directly from their independent makers, and only one (the VC) is an AD item.  For me a fair amount of that is about affordability, as well as buying pieces at depreciated price levels so that I am less likely to "get hurt" in the event I eventually want to sell. 

3. By and large, the pieces in my going-forward collection are either ones that I've owned for more than 3 years, or acquired over the past several months.  Almost all of the ones that I sold are from that "in between" period when it seems that to some extent (with the exception of the Speake-Marins) I was just "buying watches" rather than being thoughtful about building a collection. 

4. Photos that I took to showcase new pieces and treasured keepers seem to be a bit better constructed than those for FS ads smile

5. I'm on a bit of a chronograph binge recently -- we'll see if that endures.  Also, as mentioned above, I've managed to clear out almost all of the sporty pieces -- probably should have kept that old Omega Speedy of mine that I sold a few years ago.  Without intending it, I'm also down to a single two-time-zone watch -- how did that happen?  Of the 16 pieces that will remain, 5 are time only, 5 chronos, 2 QPs, and a scattering of others (RM, Dead Seconds, Dual Time, RDM)

6. As a general rule, don't buy a watch just because your significant other likes the way it looks if you're not sure about it -- you're the one who is going to end up muttering under your breath that you can't sell it to get something else!  Similarly, be cautious about buying something your spouse hates -- I'm tempting fate with one of my recent purchases, but as I learned with the Bling Special, getting the stink-eye from one's beloved every time you wear a particular watch is no way to live...

Enough!  I hope that for at least a few folks these musings will be useful as you consider your own collections and how they change over time.  As I mentioned above, I'm not 100 percent certain that I wouldn't be just as happy having a similarly sized collection of more modest but interesting pieces, but at the same time it's a privilege for me to be able to wear these beautiful expressions of watchmaking art on a regular basis. 

All the best,

Gary G


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There's a different word...

 
 By: pplater : October 22nd, 2011-00:38
...in each jurisdiction: 'fundi' in South Afica; 'guru' in India; 'Maitre' in France; 'sensei' in Japan - there's no doubt about it, Gary, you're the 'Alpha collector'! A great read, as always. The line of the week? " I do own the matching car, so I'm not... 

Irony?

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-02:09
All said in complete earnest, as usual! Glad you liked the line about the car -- for my own part I've always been partial to Beavis and Butt-Head... You are entirely too kind in your assessment of my stature in the collecting world, but I'll blushingly ac... 

" No longer calling my wrist "

 
 By: dreamer8 : October 22nd, 2011-01:23
I like that rationale you used to cull your collection Gary. I just recently PM Darma asking for advice after his reply on his achievement i went from over 1000 watches to 3 and you have now given me much to ponder over. I recall James Dowling mentioning ... 

Seems like not enough in numbers, but I'll get used to it

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-02:13
Now I look iin my watch box sometimes and think "is that it?" Silly, of course, given that you can only wear one at a time and I have more than enough variety in the mix. I don't want to get too serious minded, however -- if every piece has to be "importa... 

the watches you sold make a fantastic collection all by

 
 By: alex : October 22nd, 2011-01:44
themselves. A fantastic collectionremaining but that Antiqua is just....... sigh (can't find words....never should have given it back to you )

At one point they were the majority of my collection!

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-02:18
Although quite early on I chose some pretty compelling pieces (the JLC Geo, the VC Squelette, the AP EOT, the Reverso Repeater) that still form much of the core of my selection of pieces. Not to rub it in, but that Antiqua is truly a special piece. At eve... 

I like that collection

 
 By: SJX : October 22nd, 2011-03:10
Very good balance of simple and complications, established and independents. Bravo! - SJX

You helped!

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-09:05
Thanks so much for your input and fellowship along the way, SJX -- at the end of the day, it's the people that count! Best, Gary

Some tough but great decision making there!

 
 By: sidneyc : October 22nd, 2011-03:23
You have certainly kept the best of the bunch Gary! When I read from the beginning you've sold the Shimoda and the Thalassa, I thought oh Gary how could you let go of 2 such beautiful Speake-Marins? But you did keep the most interesting of the bunch, the ... 

Tough calls indeed

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-09:08
I don't think that I could let go completely of Peter's watches -- as I mentinoned in the write-up, the Shimoda was definitely the toughest choice of the bunch, and I often think of that piece. I too am eager to turn the blurry photo to a sharp one! Perha... 

I am struggling

 
 By: sancerre : October 22nd, 2011-04:16
What a fantastic post, but I can't figure out which of the four is the most impressive: 1. The ones you let go 2. Your new purchases 3. The watches you already had 4. Your ability to quote seamlessly fro Beavus and Butthead! Thanks for sharing, Sancerre

Heh heh...heh heh heh

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-09:10
,,,as Butthead might say! Thanks for your post -- I can certainly tell you that I derive great pleasure from seeing others' collections, so it is a pleasure to share mine with everyone here. Best, Gary

Your " Big 6 " is of impeccable taste, Gary, and would be worth all the watches you let go

 
 By: amanico : October 22nd, 2011-05:03
First of all, thank you for sharing your personal journey into Watch Collection. There is a lot of food for thought, for everyone here. Your post made me think about my personal journey, and I prefer keeping the silence, here, as it is frightening. Basica... 

I think you should sell, honestly. I'll take the 6610 from your hand.

 
 By: TdotBean : October 22nd, 2011-07:49
I want you to reach you dream LOL Either choice is a good as long as the decision is made by you. Now how about those 3670A, papa? (I'm over 18 can I have one now) Best Tyler

Naaah. And Naaah. You're too young to wear and own a Patek.

 
 By: amanico : October 22nd, 2011-08:23
But thanks for your help. Best, Nicolas.

That is an important dilemma!

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-09:14
As I mentioned in the original post, I do think sometimes that I have over-done on the switch to heavy hitters and that it would be fun to have some more casual or "fun" daily wearers. I am certain that at some point I will add a few more of those into th... 

There is a lot to think, here.

 
 By: amanico : October 22nd, 2011-10:15
I have two options: 1/ I consolidate a thema which is dear to me: Vintage Diving watches, and I will have to spend, still, a lot of money if I want to get the Kings of the Category: Vintage Panerai Small Egiziano or 6152 4 lines + a Rolex Sub 6200. But I'... 

A Vlad Thing, for sure. ;)

 
 By: amanico : October 22nd, 2011-10:38

an intriguing post

 
 By: playtime : October 22nd, 2011-05:08
found your reasons for selling intriguing glad to hear you didn't lose much in the end. I've been active myself in the past year and a half--I lost maybe a third of what I paid myself at ADs....but i think that is typical...... look forward to hear what y... 

Thanks, Jason

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-09:17
Frankly I was a bit pleasantly surprised that I got out as well as I did, especially when I purchased with little or no intent of liquidating. It certainly helps to focus one's purchases with a few select ADs and to build relationships when buying new, as... 

Good moves!

 
 By: SamEE : October 22nd, 2011-05:37
I think you made the right choice in upgrading your collection. I agree with you on every step you took. I am also happy to see you know how to aquire watches in many different ways. I am a newbie at watch collecting I have yet to buy a serious watch, but... 

My pleasure, Sam

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-09:21
Certainly for new watches I believe that the AD route is the way to go -- brings real peace of mind, and I do like to support the good folks who go to the trouble and expense of stocking watches and providing useful information. On my two online grey mark... 

very interestig journey

 
 By: donizetti : October 22nd, 2011-08:09
all at a stratospheric level of course but much food for thought even for those on the ground like me. I think you did well selling the ones you did except for the UN Monopusher ... and the new pieces are one after the other of the best possible kind. A r... 

Thank you, Andreas

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-09:24
That UN Monopusher was another tough one -- it got a pretty significant amount of wrist time, and is so pretty. There is also the allure of the FPJ movement. Who knows -- at some point I might re-acquire one, but for now the amount of money that I was abl... 

A very inspiring post Gary.

 
 By: grigo : October 22nd, 2011-10:55
Gives a person a lot to think about either when one is about to start a collection or when one might be having doubts about the direction one has been going in. I don't have any doubts yet, but I have had changes of mind and will reflect further on what y... 

Interesting, but not entirely unexpected...

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-18:51
...that different folks would have advised me to keep different watches (the Memovox, the UN Monopusher, the two PSMs, etc.). In the perfect world I definitely would have kept them all, plus the others I've sold over the years! Too bad that neither of us ... 

Since there is no "perfect" watch and the anticipation of an inbound is such a joy

 
 By: Larry Seiden : October 22nd, 2011-14:50
Gary, I think as collectors we have all had the same "internal" conversation that you so accurately and profoundly "revealed" to the world here. In addition to our refine sense of taste (whatever that is!), we are influenced by our friends, significant ot... 

Fantastic thoughts, Larry!

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-18:49
What if the "thing" here really is variety, and the rest is elaboration (how many we need at a time, whether variety is achieved through large holdings at a single moment or steady turnover of a smaller collection, what types, etc.) and rationalization (h... 

Wow, wow and wow

 
 By: Darren : October 22nd, 2011-19:27
Some magnficent pieces in your collection (I also love the UN chrono you sold). Can't wait to see the Vyskocil once you receive it. Have any actually been delivered at this point? Your collection is top notch - thanks for posting. Darren

Building this collection has been a great joy

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-19:42
But as with the UN Monopulsante, there have been some classics that have gone along the way. My first JLC was the original Reverso Duo, and I still miss that piece, along with several others. Although I have sold all of my UN watches, I certainly don't ha... 

Time,patience,dedication,passion,taste,experience,luck...

 
 By: fernando : October 22nd, 2011-19:46
just some of the words I can think of to describe how you arrived at your present phenomenal collection! Thanks for bringing us along for the ride Gary. Always a pleasure to read your posts. Best fernando

And Friendship!

 
 By: Gary G : October 22nd, 2011-21:46
The watches are great, but the people make this passion -- the watchmakers, designers, constructors, marketers, and most of all the passionate collectors here and in the "offline" world! I will hope to have some more fun news over the next months. Best, G... 

No arguments here!

 
 By: justindependent : October 24th, 2011-02:32
Gary, no matter what we all think of you letting go and rotating your collection, nobody can argue against the quality of your new additions. Absolutely STUNNING adds. I would take everyone of these new babies if I had the chance. enjoy them. You will get... 

I certainly take your point

 
 By: Gary G : October 24th, 2011-05:53
If you had told me several years ago that I would have a collection that consisted solely of my new additions, I would have been quite happy! I certainly have no complaints about the opportunities I have had to acquire these pieces, and once those incomin... 

Great story and a lot one can learn from your experiences

 
 By: dshao1 : October 24th, 2011-06:54
Hi Gary, hopefully I'll see you again in Jan. and part of that marvelous collection! This is the one my wife hates the most...for the same reason, "too blingy". But it is a fun watch for me: BR, Dan...  

Great to hear from you, Dan!

 
 By: Gary G : October 24th, 2011-22:52
Less than three months to go until Geneva -- and unless some very important business or personal matter intervenes, I am absolutely on track to see you on Sunday evening... I love that watch! Seems pretty classic to me, but hey -- I understand that spousa... 

Gary, thanks for that insight!

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 24th, 2011-11:00
So many nice watches in your current collection and you should be proud. Congrats! Regarding selling you will have to tell me some of your secrets ... next time we see each other ;-) Oliver

Thanks, and selling secrets

 
 By: Gary G : October 24th, 2011-23:00
Oliver, I'm not sure that there are a lot of selling secrets, other than: 1. It helps to be a "known guy" on a major forum or within a network of collectors 2. Collectors' Market here on PuristS has quite effective reach for mid- to upper-level pieces (it... 

Here we go number 7 ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : October 24th, 2011-23:12
is my killer. Always tried to support AD´s and Boutiques, because you buy much more than only a watch - if there is some trouble for example. What I had in mind was a "win win" situation in the long run, but quite often it was disappointing ... But that i... 

Ah, old number 7...

 
 By: Gary G : October 24th, 2011-23:19
I am a big advocate of ADs -- but have found that by focusing on two ADs local to me, I am getting courtesies on initial pricing of new pieces that help a lot. Coupled with a bit of attention to which brands and pieces to buy (which historically I haven't... 

Gary oh Gary.....I was told to log in from Dubai to read this!!

 
 By: Hororgasm : October 24th, 2011-22:28
What can I say or add. I am confident that all your choices and restructuring of your "portfolio" reflects your changing attitutes and preferences to this hobby. Like you said in your post, you are hardly rash in your purchases, and the financial losses f... 

Been waiting for you, Horo!

 
 By: Gary G : October 24th, 2011-23:21
Glad you are safe and sound, if far across the globe. Thanks for joining in! On the PSM, I will only say that it is important to buy well... Best, Gary

Gary, I would say again an iconic post

 
 By: tahoeblue : October 25th, 2011-09:00
Even though I am late to respond, it was great following this thread over the last few days. Maybe you did not intend your thoughts to be "revealing," but I think you can tell you struck a chord with a lot of us obsessive collectors. Even as outstanding a... 

I am honored

 
 By: Gary G : October 25th, 2011-15:44
...to call you my friend -- surely the kind of friendship that we have built over the past few years is what this hobby is all about! As for collecting, it's just very recently that I have begun to think of myself as a "collector" in any way -- before tha... 

great post!

 
 By: AlexisD : October 26th, 2011-11:26
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and collection. Very interesting read!

Thanks, Alexis

 
 By: Gary G : October 26th, 2011-15:53
Forum members' responses to my post have me thinking further, and I'll likely be posting some further musings soon... Hope to see more posts from you here! Best, Gary G