IWC hammer testing and prototyping the Caliber 5000(the big movt you have) in 1997/8

Jan 05, 2008,00:28 AM
 

In theyears when the budgets at the factory went into producing the caliber 5000 series which you now see in your stores.

And I really love this movement for its absolute pursuit of creating a large diameter rotor..into a single barrel...but that's for another story..

One can see the fervour into which the homologation department, a one man show run by Opald...and the team's work with Ranaud and Papi, and Carol Foreistier (way back in 1997), to create a rotor and a suspension system that can take a "reasonable" amount of shock.

Don't forget that the rotor is huge, and the leverage exerted onto the pinion is awesome enough to rip it off the plate.

Hence, you see here, a development, in house, circa 1997, when the suspension arm took on its shape...from a modest solid curve, to a cut and slim curved arm..like a tonearm of an LP player.

Note the silastic insert into the solid gold rim of the weight...this detail is to silence the very slight knock of the rotor against the plates..huge torsional forces make the rotor wobble..microscopically...but attention to detail at IWC in those years were focused to an extreme level to technical excellence.

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The evolution of the arm that holds the rotor took many months of testing by Opald in the basement of the old factory in 1997.

In house shock testing allowed and continues to allow very fine modifications of rotor suspension in this case, and probably in other new designs, very quickly. Discussions can be had immediately after the hammer tests, on the spot, and small changes to the suspension were made...cutting the arm and thining it down.

It just cannot be an exact science..well..at least NOT with the software available in 1997.

Today..a CAD and a simulated design can be done.

However, a caveat...it cannot totall simulate the effect of the lubricants and the effect of assembly (tightness of parts) etc..too many variables.

So..in house tests like these are invaluable if one attempts a REAL new movement like this one, and not a derivative of an existing old one.

 






See the cut made in the arm?

It allows the arm to "twist" an d bend minutely..very slightly.

Spreading the G forces outwards.






So then..by 1999, an arm that supported the spindle was born!

This allowed the huge rotor to wobble along a new axis, absorbing over 50% of the G forrces that would have ripped the spindle off.

I admired this elegant and simple solution at IWC with Opald in the homologation room, and a team of men..like Denis Zimmerman and his tireless work at the computer with circa 1997 software..solved the problems, and a big rotor was born.

No use of strange metals or alloys needed.

A pure engineering challenge, solved with ingineuity...and on time to release the watch in 2000..no delays...all 2000 pieces.

Look at the detal of the rotor's evolution from 1997 to 1999...


 








The rare allowances to cosmetics..an engraved rotor.

And the famous gold disc!






 

Now...to add in a small silastic insert.

At first, there was none. But Gunther Blumlein wore the thing, and didn't like the small and slight "clack" and "clackity" sound, as the rotor wound itself...and so..it was brought back to the homologation lab...and the source of the sound discovered.

And solved.

It is NOT a cheap plastic part! In those days...Blumlein would NOT hear of this..it is a medical grade silastic part. Later..more pics on how parts AGE..even this is tested at IWC..inhouse.




Of course, here you see the work then in 1998, the final rotor is what you get in the stores today.

I look upon the iWC Cal 5 series as a 12 cylinder engine. Big. Tough. Strong.

It may not be "refined" as in an artistic sense...and I wish that more customers would buy the watch as a connoisseur and not as a consumer.

It has great potential to grow as a true movement for big watches, no nonsense, and pure. No gimmicks.

I own and wear both the MBF1 and the Antiqua side by side with this IWC...yes..I may have to wear the watch around another cylindrical part of my body...chuckles. What I eman is that...I am not too biased, I hope, for or against plain simple work..I love the roundabout work of many watch makers too.

Some, it is art. At IWC, it was all very focused on engineering to the extreme ..with an exclusion of art, if it meant compromise to any detail in the movement, and so it was with this calibre.

 

 





These here are prototypes ....all tough and tested and even broken.

I promise, if you want, I will post more.










These pictures are copyrighted here at this site, and yes..you won't see any pictures of such detail or history...they're gone!

Here finally, in 2000 is my watch at the far right, in RG next to the final prototype in steel ...see the differences?

Even if you look at your own watch, if it is a cal 5000 or 50011 or whatever 5 series..you will see it is different from mine.

Yours is BETTER. IWC continues to improve on its products...usually in the quiet.

Hmmm...

 I don't know if you guys want to see and read all this stuff...if you do..respond to say yes, and I will continue to bring in more details.

Including, if you wish, my visits to many of the sub contractors that do the owrk for IWC and Richard Mille.




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IWC hammer testing and prototyping the Caliber 5000(the big movt you have) in 1997/8

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 5th, 2008-00:28
In theyears when the budgets at the factory went into producing the caliber 5000 series which you now see in your stores. And I really love this movement for its absolute pursuit of creating a large diameter rotor..into a single barrel...but that's for an...

Great stuff, thanks Bernard.

 
 By: SJX : January 5th, 2008-08:32
IWC's dedication to technical innovation and excellence has always impressed me. One of the first IWC watches I saw was the old Porsche Design Ocean 2000 - that really made me go WOW - which is one of the best diver's watch ever made. I hope IWC continues...

Yes..the Porsche 2000 Ocean is one of the Holy Grails

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 5th, 2008-16:43

Thank you, Bernard! A fascinating story impeccably

 
 By: SteveG : January 5th, 2008-10:16
told and illustrated. I would expect no less either from yourself or IWC! I bought my Cal. 5000 second-hand in early 2001, it was a watch completely apart from my experience at the time. In the intervening years IWC have done what they promised, improving...

Steve! The difference can be seen in the 2 IWCs..yours is incredible.Here's why..

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 5th, 2008-16:42
Dear Steve, it is great to read from you. First...I have always admired your absolutely clean multilayered photography of your watches. In fact, I have looked at your caliber 5000 and so has Denis and Opald at IWC in 2006. We noticed that you have a model...

Thanks so much for the primer on these

 
 By: SteveG : January 5th, 2008-16:48
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Thank you, Bernard, great pics, great info. (nt)

 
 By: ThomasM : January 5th, 2008-12:32
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very cool stuff, thanks Bernard! (nt)

 
 By: ei8htohms : January 5th, 2008-17:51

Thanks Bernard for the insight! Any reason why the rotor ...

 
 By: Kong : January 5th, 2008-21:20
touches the main-plate? Is it too heavy due to the the rotor size or the additional 'gold-coin' added? Kong This message has been edited by Kong on 2008-01-05 21:22:24

The arm design

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 7th, 2008-02:35

Great post Bernard...

 
 By: vlim : January 5th, 2008-23:47
The caliber 5000 is one of my all time favorite automatic movements. Your post made me take a second look at my caliber 50010. I’m very interested to read more. Please post more photos and details, thanks! Cheers, Vernon

The Cal 5 is one of the "real" ground up inovations

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 7th, 2008-02:36

Brillant Post!

 
 By: transhi100 : January 6th, 2008-02:42
Thanks for that informative post and nice pictures. Please continue with your stories.

Thanks..will be happy to post on Fri/sat. nt

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 7th, 2008-02:37

Thanks, Bernard and Steve, for this thread . . .

 
 By: Dr No : January 6th, 2008-16:35
. . . highlighting one of the great modern movements. By the way, Bernard, why on earth would you wear your IWC on your ankle? ;-) . . . cordially, Art

Actually with the repeated use of Viagra and the like...

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 7th, 2008-02:43

You can watermark

 
 By: MTF : January 6th, 2008-21:15
Bernard, Thanks for the history and evolution of this movement...still the only BIG automatic out there. I don't know if it helps to watermark the photos using the photouploader utility...... Regards, MTF

Yes..your right. nt

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 7th, 2008-02:43

Very interesting to see the development

 
 By: Dirk : January 7th, 2008-21:46
so up close and personal - excellent information. thanks, Bernard - and you have more? Don't hesitate! Dirk

Resizing the 15megapixel photos now.

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 8th, 2008-00:24

I've seen watches being tested like this...

 
 By: oporto16 : January 10th, 2008-05:25
but this is ridiculous! But it does remind me of the time when Junghans did something similar to their J 93/1 handwound movement, using an elastic suspension system to produce similar results.

I have much more to post..hope you like them. nt

 
 By: bernard cheong : January 12th, 2008-23:35
nt

Thank You Bernard

 
 By: Spurs : May 7th, 2008-10:03
I am looking into buying my 1st watch above SGD10K and I have been belaboring whether the IWC Porto Automatic is a good buy. I certainly love the looks but with this thread you just put my mind to rest on this IWC movement. Thank God there's someone who t...