They've long been good, but now they're aiming higher still

Apr 27, 2009,16:58 PM
 

I first visited Seiko's factories in the 1970s and I've been back a number of times since. In the 1970s, they were keen to show off their skills in making quartz movements and they were the only company in the world to have totally integrated quartz watch production, including making their own batteries and cutting their own quartz crystals. We tend to forget that Hattori & Co, which owns Seiko, is the second oldest watch company in the world still controlled by descendants of the founder (AP is the oldest). Seiko's mechanical watchmaking finally reached high standards in the 1960s when they achieved astounding success in chronometer competitions in Switzerland - but they sold so many inexpensive quartz watches then that we tend to associate the company with cheap watches and not for the good mechanical watches they made even then.

For some time now Seiko has made watches of very high quality in its Grand Seiko and Credor ranges, but as far as I know production capacity has always been so limited that it has only able to supply these to its domestic market and some other markets in the region. These superb products have never been available new in the West - and that is not likely to change in the near future. In the West, few people are aware that Seiko has won international jewellery design competitions and even has its own jewellers, jewellery designers, goldsmiths, diamond setters and engravers. Its haute horlogerie lines, as we might expect, are made by Seiko's master watchmakers – and every part is produced in-house. Even the unique Spring Drive movement is assembled by skilled watchmakers and so Seiko's need for watchmakers is greater than ever before. More watchmakers are always being trained, but Seiko has been reluctant to reveal that a year or so ago it turned to one of Switzerland's most revered independent watchmakers - who is spoken of very highly by Purists – to help train still more master watchmakers in its factories. I think he was there for three or six months. Any other company would have boasted about this collaboration, but in its modesty Seiko has declined offers to publicise it.

In more than 40 years of visits to watch factories in Europe I have seen some remarkable workshops and equipment and met many highly talented watchmakers, but I can't think of any with facilities that exceed those in Seiko's plants. In Japan, some of Seiko's finest watchmakers have celebrity status but I believe that product and movement development has always been a matter of teamwork – which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Outside of Japan I suspect that many of us rarely associate Seiko with high watchmaking because we rarely get an opportunity to see it. If I'm right, I think our attitude may also be because we associate the brand name too much with the high volume, inexpensive quartz products they sold for so many years and because limited production has meant that we never see new Grand Seiko or Credor products. How many watch companies do you know that not only make their own movements and cases, but also their own dials, hands and even the numerals and batons that go on the dial? I know that for several years it has been Seiko policy to drop its lower price items and to introduce more quality watches because it has realised that we are ready and willing to buy these higher grade watches.- but alas we still won't be given access to the coveted Grand Seiko and Credor lines in the West. I'm not sure that Seiko build quality has improved vastly in the last few years - it seems to me that it has been good for some time and we're just becoming more aware of it.

I'm not sure if that answers the question.


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Seiko build quality.. is it vastly improved or is it my imagination?

 
 By: G99 : April 25th, 2009-06:45
i spent Thursday with a friend who is a lurking member of this forum who hasnt yet posted anything as he's shy. we spent some time browsing 'that auction site' looking for something that a newbie can add to his collection that will complement his current ...  

They've always...

 
 By: K T : April 25th, 2009-10:52
been this good...  

Kelvin, good and cheap.

 
 By: ling5hk : April 25th, 2009-15:59
No frill. Sometimes, people say Seiko watches are too conservative and boring. Regards Ling

Captivating photos as always, Kelvin [nt]

 
 By: patrickau : April 26th, 2009-23:54
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I like my Seiko 5...

 
 By: dxboon : April 25th, 2009-19:00
...that I bought as a beater to take on vacation.  It's thus far survived hiking in humid conditions all day, snorkeling, BBQing, pizza-making, and that dog-eat-dog, no-holds-barred experience called...a day at the office (hehehe).  The only com...  

Remember the Temptations, Graham? . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 26th, 2009-15:39
. . . it's "Just My Imagination"! Case in point . . . . . . my '65 Sea Lion that Dad wore almost daily for four decades before handing it over to me. It had been serviced twice in forty years, and wasn't in working order when I took possession. Fortunatel...  

Art, I am sure that watch...

 
 By: patrickau : April 27th, 2009-00:32
would last for generations to come, given your pampering... I like the steel hour markers that are cut to look like diamonds. Does your watch change date/day by pressing the crown inwards? Pat

This Seiko has a recessed crown . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 27th, 2009-08:30
. . . as can be seen from these photos taken at ~ 45ยบ angles: The date is changed by counterclockwise revolutions of the crown in the first position, and the day can only be changed by advancing the hands. I'm assuming from your question that there is a S...  

Push dates on Seiko

 
 By: BDLJ : April 27th, 2009-18:24
Hi Art, I believe there are lots of Seiko movements with this feature. Of the Seikos I have, my 6139 Chrono does it, as does my 6119 equipped Seiko and I also have a couple of 6106 pieces: 6106A or B=push setting of the date only, 6106C=first push detent ... 

Some clarification...

 
 By: patrickau : April 27th, 2009-19:24
Hi BDLJ, Thanks for the helpful info: You said: "6106C=first push detent does the date and if you push further, the day." Is it true that a further push advances the day ONLY or day AND date? Thanks. Pat

To clarify

 
 By: BDLJ : April 28th, 2009-03:12
Hi Pat, Sorry for not being very clear. You push the winder to the first detent and the date flips over, when you push further the day flips over.

Thanks, Ben! My appreciation for Seiko . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 27th, 2009-22:13
. . . and Grand Seiko exceeds my knowledge by a fair margin . . . cordially, Art

Art, my Seiko auto chrono 6139 has this function

 
 By: patrickau : April 27th, 2009-19:15
sorry for the poor picture quality. The date is being advanced by pushing the recessed flat crown inwards. By pushing "harder" the day and date advance simultaneously. I have also come across a few old Seiko 5 (there are others as BDLJ pointed out) with t...  

i'm very tempted by either...

 
 By: G99 : April 27th, 2009-11:36
i'm very tempted by either a mid range Seiko or Orient Star Royal. Orient Star Royal, near the high end of the Orient range do a nice sterling silver cased handwind model and a handwind 55th anniversary model, but its still just a watch. might be unusual ... 

Remember this?

 
 By: patrickau : April 27th, 2009-00:19
My favourite part of the watch Very solid and sturdy bracelet with super sized (in-house? ) spring bars! Monster? A watch that can withstand the harshest conditions! It has always been that good, only getting better nowadays. Pat...  

They've long been good, but now they're aiming higher still

 
 By: ticktock : April 27th, 2009-16:58
I first visited Seiko's factories in the 1970s and I've been back a number of times since. In the 1970s, they were keen to show off their skills in making quartz movements and they were the only company in the world to have totally integrated quartz watch... 

I fully agree that...

 
 By: patrickau : April 27th, 2009-19:46
"it seems to me that it has been good for some time and we're just becoming more aware of it. " Maybe we should just pursue Seiko the eastern way, buy queitly and secretly and stop all this "publicity" lest more and more people become aware of the gem of ... 

I'm quite sure . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 27th, 2009-22:19
. . . that Graham's original question has been most adroitly answered ;-). Thanks so much, ticktock . . . cordially, Art

yes thankyou, i was sure...

 
 By: G99 : May 1st, 2009-04:00
yes thankyou, i was sure that Seiko are a great company and now i've had it confirmed by numerous people. cheers Graham

Also SEIKO

 
 By: bon092 : April 29th, 2009-09:19
While I have a moderate swiss watch collection, I also fell for the SEIKO chronographs of the 70s'. I have two of them (6138-3000) a black dail and a blue dail....  

My Sea Lion also displays Sunday in red . . .

 
 By: Dr No : April 29th, 2009-11:20
. . . which affords it a bit of added character . . . cordially, Art

wait till you SEE the new ANANTA in the flesh.!

 
 By: Tony A.H : May 1st, 2009-08:49
i haven't seen the Ananta Line yet.. but i spoke with a couple of people (i trust their tastes ) who went to Basel Show . they said that the quality is one of the very best.! Tony