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Mar 06, 2014,18:13 PM
 

I just finished posting about the details on a watch I've been obsessing about for a few weeks now - the SARG007. 


You gentlemen are discussing the finishing on the top of the line Seiko, and that is nice, but there are very many interesting models below those. Unfortunately, there the finishing is very uneven. For example, you can consider the SARG007. It has a black face, but a white date wheel. It has cream numbers, but white hands and white indices. It disturbs the harmony on an otherwise stunning watch. This watch is not so expensive, but it's pricey enough that they could have picked up a black date dial and painted the hands with the same paint they used for the numbers. 

I was more disappointed by the Seiko Marine Master SBDX001. That retails for about six times what the SARG007 does. It has some of the most gorgeous minute and hour hands I've ever seen, but the seconds hand is rough and unfinished. 

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Movement finishing - decorative vs functional; industrial vs craft; machine vs hand.

 
 By: ThomasM : March 6th, 2014-09:15
I have much experience with Japanese culture, though, alas, I don't speak Japanese. I have tremendous respect for the high value placed on excellence, integrity, and honor. I also know there is a long and deep tradition of aesthetic taste and design, both... 

Answering An Excellent Question, Part 1

 
 By: cazalea : March 6th, 2014-12:41
Hello Thomas, To utilize a common phrase, you might say that "all Grand Seikos look alike" and at a distance perhaps it's relatively true. There is an aesthetic in Grand Seiko that seems to say simple, professional, high-class. But not stratospheric high ...  

Seiko and Grand Seiko Credor finishing and design - a great response so far, Cazalea.

 
 By: ThomasM : March 6th, 2014-13:41
One of the little known secret strengths of Seiko is their state of the art materials handling and finishing skills and talents. I have had the chance to know very well two AP's that had polished Ti bezels - so highly polished they were like mirrors. (of ...  

Totally understand

 
 By: Spellbound : March 6th, 2014-16:07
I feel the same way. A Japanese car for example, well built to exacting measurements, and reliable, and possibly even a blast to drive (Honda S2000, Mazda MX5), but lacks a design that stirs emotion. The Italian and British cars, not perhaps as reliable, ...  

You read my mind

 
 By: Bruce Banner : March 6th, 2014-18:13
I just finished posting about the details on a watch I've been obsessing about for a few weeks now - the SARG007. You gentlemen are discussing the finishing on the top of the line Seiko, and that is nice, but there are very many interesting models below t... 

So as to be constructive, what would be our wish list? And...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 6th, 2014-21:22
What is the baseline? in my humble opinion, there is NO comparison to Grand Seiko and Credor for excellence in consistency, precision, and reliability. None. So how can they turn respect into love? TM

Haven't we all forgot something here?

 
 By: KIH : March 6th, 2014-22:03
"The Process" - the actual procustion may rely more on machines, thus lack of hand finishing warmth on the movement and such. But the process of case making (for GS SS cases, 15 times forging between which heated at 1100C for 15 min. and then the very exp... 

Harmony

 
 By: Bruce Banner : March 7th, 2014-09:30
Pick the right parts out of the bins. For the SARG007, use the date wheel from the SARX015, and use the same color of white throughout. The dial has such depth from the inner bezel and applied "Seiko" name that the number markings seem too flat. For the M... 

My take on this is...

 
 By: DonCorson : March 7th, 2014-11:47
that there are several different value systems running here. Watches that consider themselves works of art and watches that consider themselves measurement instruments. It is obvious that the criteria for the best work of art is not the same as those for ... 

Answering An Excellent Question, Part 2

 
 By: cazalea : March 7th, 2014-16:00
In the first installment of "Answering An Excellent Question" I provided an assortment of Grand Seikos to illustrate certain features and strengths of the brand. In this second part I will offer an assortment of views of a single watch, in a variety of co...  

Excellent detailed anatomy of GS!

 
 By: KIH : March 7th, 2014-17:55
I don't have anything to add, except for my response post to Thomas's above :-) Ken

Excellent Post!

 
 By: SALMANPK : March 9th, 2014-17:31
I really enjoyed reading it and seeing your pictures, really highlights the beauty of GS pieces, I have been wearing my GS Diver non-stop everyday since I have received it. S