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In conversation with the founders of Cvstos, Sassoun Sirmakes and Antonio Terranova
Date: Dec 24, 2008,01:42 AM - (view entire thread)Sassoun Sirmakes is frequently touted as the youngest CEO and founder of a watch brand. His father happens to be Vartan Sirmakes, co-owner of Franck Muller Watchland Group, which has annual revenues in the region of CHF400 million, according to industry sources. Franck Muller annual production is in the low five figures, while Cvstos made about 2000 watches in 2008 and 2009 output will be in the region of 3500 watches.
As he tells it, after Sirmakes completed high school in 2005, he had three options - attend university, join Franck Muller or strike out on his own. He chose the third option and founded Cvstos with Antonio Terranova, an engineer who had previously worked at several major watch brands. Terranova explains that he spearheads the brand’s aesthetics while Sirmakes takes care of the nuts and bolts of running a business.
From left: Minute repeater tourbillon worn by Antonio Terranova, the Yachting tourbillon in platinum, Tourbillon with black diamonds worn by Sassoun Sirmakes
Sirmakes decided to start Cvstos due to the simple fact that Franck Muller was already an established business, he did not want to merely “manage [a successful] business”. But the more important reason is that both Sirmakes and Terranova saw the potential in the market – 2005 was some time before brands like Richard Mille and Urwerk had taken off – for watches that looked different. Terranova put it simply, "People don't want to wear their father's watch." One also gets the impression that Cvstos is an opportunity for Terranova to execute ideas that never took off while he was at brands like Breitling and TAG Heuer.
Sirmakes does not conceal the obvious, he openly admits being his father’s son was an advantage. Referring to the initial search for a dial supplier, “When we first started, it was difficult, no supplier was doing what we wanted”, but he continues, “[but they] said ‘This guy’s father has money, so it should be OK’ and they did a few dials for us.”
Nonetheless, being connected to a large and profitable group independent from the industry giants drew the ire of some competitors. He relates the story of the inaugural presentation of Cvstos watches at the La Reserve hotel during SIHH. Cvstos had leased substantial space from the hotel for its exhibition and its banners and posters were plastered all over the hotel premises. Sirmakes says Richemont then called the management of La Reserve with the ultimatum: remove the Cvstos material or all Richemont room reservations at La Reserve would be cancelled; Richemont had booked a large proportion of its rooms for SIHH visitors. Sirmakes’ reaction was to comply, but he adds, “So instead we put our nice cars outside [in the driveway] with Cvstos decals!”
Sirmakes exudes a confidence and enthusiasm that is genuine, but also reflective of the security of his background. On the other hand, Antonio Terranova is more subtle, possessed of a knowing and slightly impatient demeanour. Some of Terranova’s comments on various aspects of the industry are amusing yet true. Speaking about the aggressive lifestyle advertising used by some brands, he says, “A watch only gives you the time, not a good character or new personality or better life.” And when the conversation moves to limited editions, “A [limited edition] for France is not just the French flag on the dial and [the] Paris map on the back”. Terranova cites the Yachting Tourbillon as an example of a genuine limited edition, because in addition to the blue and white nautical colours, the movement has strips of wood inlay in the baseplate, recalling the planked deck of a yacht.
At the same time, Terranova’s insistence that Cvstos is nearly wholly vertically integrated is much less easy to swallow. He characterises the brand’s links to Franck Muller Watchland as a “privileged relationship”, explaining “Franck Muller has production power [so] we have some help from them,” but he notes the majority of components in Cvstos watches are not from Franck Muller, he pegs the proportion of parts sourced from Watchland at 20%. In an earlier thread on this forum several images of a chronograph calibre from Martin Braun, a Franck Muller Watchland company, is identical to the purportedly in-house Concept S chronograph movement.
Whatever the truth may be, the movements created by Franck Muller and its associated companies are frequently interesting and occasionally impressive. Aficionados frequently give Franck Muller short shrift, thanks in no small part to its ridiculous slogan “Master of Complications”, but that is doing the boffins at Watchland an injustice. The competence of Watchland is reflected in several of its associated brands, including Cvstos and Martin Braun, though Terranova and Sirmakes would be sure to note that Cvstos is far more independent of Watchland than Martin Braun.
Cvstos watches demonstrate a high degree of complexity in case and dial construction, which reminds one of the early Franck Muller watches which were widely regarded to have outstanding case and dial work. Most of the newer Cvstos models have noteworthy movements, most notably the minute repeater with a form movement and tonneau-shaped gongs.
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- Main Post: In conversation with the founders of Cvstos, Sassoun Sirmakes and Antonio Terranova
SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-01:42 - Cvstos and the idea of originality
SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-01:45 - Cvstos Yachting tourbillion
SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-01:59 - 1, 2, 3???? aaronm (registered) on December 24th, 2008-08:16
- I agree, there is too much unnecessary text all over, dial and case SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-18:52
- Cvstos Concept S Minute Repeater Tourbillon
SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-02:03 - I am the lucky exception Gary G (registered) on December 25th, 2008-20:12
- Cvstos Concept S Flyback Chronograph and Automatic
SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-02:09 - thank you , do you known who make new movement for CVSTOS? LVT (registered) on December 24th, 2008-03:18
- Movements and the coating SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-04:48
- Cvstos - way to go! tony p (registered) on December 24th, 2008-05:29
- Well the thing is... SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-06:12
- I disagree. ThomasM (registered) on December 24th, 2008-11:43
- Cvstos doesn't need to improve its finishing or construction? ling5hk (registered) on December 24th, 2008-16:56
- ThomasM and Ling, we are referring to different watches... SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-18:57
- That's some great... DRMW (registered) on December 24th, 2008-19:23
- If you look VERY closely you can see the floral pattern on the white tablecloth SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-19:33
- C'mon SJX! DRMW (registered) on December 24th, 2008-19:35
- Now I can't wait to check out Jester (registered) on December 26th, 2008-13:40
- Recently we have seen quite a few new Geo (registered) on December 24th, 2008-06:44
- I'm intrigued by the level of disagreeableness, Geo . . . Dr No (registered) on December 24th, 2008-11:21
- Ironically, I'm again in the awkward position of ... ThomasM (registered) on December 24th, 2008-11:36
- ;-) . . . well, I did cover myself with the qualifying 'perhaps' . . . Dr No (registered) on December 24th, 2008-12:03
- curious, Art... ThomasM (registered) on December 24th, 2008-12:18
- Where Urwerk is concerned, Thomas, I would accord them the same . . . Dr No (registered) on December 24th, 2008-13:08
- Thomas Prescher is a lone wolf and the public appearance of his pieces ThomasM (registered) on December 24th, 2008-16:04
- At least one progenitor! Gary G (registered) on December 25th, 2008-20:36
- I know the idea was being explored by at least one other company many years ago... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-21:28
- Thanks, Thomas Gary G (registered) on December 25th, 2008-21:42
- Thanks, Gary, and thanks to all the very, very kind people who have ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-21:46
- Decimal repeaters nickd (registered) on December 26th, 2008-00:36
- Didn't AP unveil a decimal repeater in the same year as Kari premiered his? SJX (registered) on December 26th, 2008-22:00
- It was a year later, and through grated teeth, as... ThomasM (registered) on December 26th, 2008-23:30
- Regarding Kari's inspiration for the decimal repeater, tony p (registered) on December 26th, 2008-20:20
- Great anecdote Gary G (registered) on December 26th, 2008-21:53
- Are you familiar with... whitestrat (registered) on December 25th, 2008-19:30
- You have a point, and I'm surprised it took this long in the thread for someone ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-21:44
- Yep... Agreed whitestrat (registered) on December 28th, 2008-18:48
- Talking design Geo (registered) on December 24th, 2008-14:04
- Especially if your comments were about design, Geo... ThomasM (registered) on December 24th, 2008-14:57
- I love the Antiqua regardless of its origin SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-19:32
- I appreciate your point, SJX, and I agree with you, insofar as ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:02
- My comment was just an opinion SJX (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:08
- LOL! Thanks, SJX. ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:27
- You don't want to understand what I said Geo (registered) on December 25th, 2008-00:19
- Geo, understanding works and goes both ways... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-01:49
- to be clear, Geo... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-01:57
- There is absolutely no heat at all in my post Geo (registered) on December 25th, 2008-05:49
- Three photos for Thomas to make myself more clear
Geo (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:29 - I am well aware of those pictures, but Geo, you still don't address my question ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:35
- Thomas what was your question then ??? Geo (registered) on December 25th, 2008-03:01
- SJX aptly summarized the question (thanks, SJX) (nt) ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-03:04
- If I may... SJX (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:37
- YOU certainly may Geo (registered) on December 25th, 2008-04:29
- design of VH and Kari LVT (registered) on December 24th, 2008-23:35
- Thanks for these links - there's one REALLY interesting quote from Jeff Barnes in there: tony p (registered) on December 25th, 2008-08:02
- Tony you're brilliant Geo (registered) on December 25th, 2008-12:45
- There comes a point when... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-15:16
- Thomas, I agree with you. tony p (registered) on December 26th, 2008-08:08
- Not quite sure Gary G (registered) on December 25th, 2008-20:42
- Actually, I do see the "similarities" in individual design elements... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-22:07
- I am appreciate VH and Kari too. LVT (registered) on December 26th, 2008-01:51
- "Real" inspiration SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-19:05
- Iconic Watches VPREGULATOR (registered) on December 24th, 2008-20:16
- Can of worms, that only gets squigglier when... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:22
- Wow, Thomas amanico (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:29
- Mon plaisir, mon ami... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:40
- Please tell me in advance amanico (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:55
- That was sheer speculation with no evidence SJX (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:31
- Significance and copycats SJX (registered) on December 24th, 2008-19:01
- Fully agreed, SJX, imitation doesn't preclude significance . . . Dr No (registered) on December 24th, 2008-22:18
- imitation is the best form of flattery JMan (registered) on December 25th, 2008-14:18
- what is it beyond its style? Jean (registered) on December 26th, 2008-00:39
- Hi, Jean - there's quite a few questions in your post, and my answer . . . Dr No (registered) on December 26th, 2008-10:32
- Well, about the Ingenieur... Tony C. (registered) on December 25th, 2008-06:43
- RM copy monochrome (registered) on December 25th, 2008-01:04
- If it has a case like an RM, a crown like an RM... Gaz (registered) on December 25th, 2008-01:21
- You know... ThomasM (registered) on December 25th, 2008-02:48
- I totally agree with Gaz & monochrome AnthonyTsai (registered) on December 25th, 2008-10:39
- Thanks a lot SJX for this excellent article & interview. [nt] foversta (registered) on December 25th, 2008-04:35
- Ditto.. LiL (registered) on December 30th, 2008-17:29
- Thanks Liling. Best wishes for 2009 to you too! [nt] SJX (registered) on December 30th, 2008-18:02
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