The Persuaders: De Bethune DB 25 vs. Lange 1815

Mar 28, 2012,08:05 AM
 

De Bethune DB25 Silver Dial vs. A. Lange & Söhne 1815






Since I purchased my DB25, not so long ago, I mentioned I wanted to make a face to face between her and my Lange 1815 (233.032), two visually opposite watches but which comparative statement might shade light over several similar aspects (and also a pretext to play with them).


I'll start by talking about aesthetical sides before talking about technique. Those 2 watches are remarkable over several criteria, designers' techniques mastery and, may one like them or not, they surely inspire respect and most of the time great joy from watch amateurs.


But in the mean time they are obviously opposed on many levels: style, history, background and legacy, and the path they are following to reach the same heights, their volume output and last but not least, the price.









Furthermore they meet in many other sectors as they are entry level watches in their brand, they are simple timepieces (3 hands vs. 2 hands + PR), in gold (rose vs. white) with a crocodile-like strap with pine buckle, a remarkable finish, a high technical level mastery and that they may be wore in any situation (except boxing activities).










On the aesthetical hand side






In spite of the fact they both have a round shaped case (I won't talk about style here), both watches are of a very high finish level. This is obvious when admiring the blued hands, the hand-painted indexes showing a splendid curving shape (a more raised effect for the DB), and an excellent movement finish that was designed and produced "in house".





The 1815 shows here nice cotes de Glashütte decorations, her engravings and perfect chamfers as the DB benefits from a more contemporary treatment: sand finish, guilloche dial and some engravings but applied in a more sober and thus more modern style, according to the watch's style.






Despite the classic style that inspired them both, the De Bethune adds a modern touch, especially in this major aesthetical difference with the Lange, the lugs: a lower positioning opened for more lightness with a modern look and a positive effect concerning the wider case size as it decreases its volume appearance.


However, I'll emphasize the fact that the finish level of this DB25, though exceptional, is slightly under the Lange's level when really looking closer to some details on the side of the movement (engraved letters of the movement's outside ring for example, profile of some wheels) or on a HD computer picture. Just adding a precision to give to Herr Caesar what is Caesar's.


Concerning the dial's side and the case, I would say the finish is from the same standards, same quality, which is a very nice compliment to make to De Bethune.


 

Technically speaking...






Both manufactures are conducted by talented designers that have a precise vision of horology engineering, aspect I appreciate very much. The Swiss brand produces a more important effort and more visible in innovating than the Germans in this field, led by a different brand strategy of course.


A special common feature that deserves to be highlighted is the in-house design of the escapement and especially the balance spring and the balance wheel. This is even more spectacular in the DB.









However there are several little differences here: automatic wind, twin barrel on the one side (6 days PR) and manual and unique barrel on the other (55 hours PR).


The manual wind is very different from both watches: on De Bethune's side, a harder pressure is needed on the crown, in spite of its higher diameter and the fact that we can't feel or hear each notch while turning the crown, whereas on Lange's side we feel a very smooth vibration from the notches while manipulating the crown. From a personal point of view, I would say that Lange's crown is a bit too small and has less deep notches which make the wind a little more difficult when arriving at the end of the winding process.


More over the De Bethune is equipped with many little technical improvements (listed in my previous review: ahci.watchprosite.com whereas the Lange invests on a perfect engineering and manufacturing skill to obtain a reliable and efficient movement.











We all know that a watch efficiency relies on very tiny details. I couldn't perform precision tests easily as the DB hasn't got a second hand.


Concerning materials, De Bethune uses Titanium for many important components as the rotor, the balance wheel and other structural displays (Triple parechute bridge etc.) whereas Lange includes more frequently used materials, yet of high quality, as steel or Maillechort (also called "German silver").

Lange gives priority to watch making authenticity and aesthetics (use of gold, screwed gold chatons, use of Maillechort, multiple engraving methods, hand-engraved balance cock), whereas De Bethune gives priority to efficiency, easier to perform with the modern style of the watch that suits to Titanium for example.






Finally, the 1815 has a stop second display, unlike the DB25. You may say the De Bethune doesn't need one as it doesn't have a second hand but it is a useful display allowing setting the hands anticlockwise without damaging the movement.

 

Let's finish with some wrist shots, a 1815 showing all its class and beauty with its 40mm and the De Bethune living very well with its 44mm giving full effect of her uniqueness.











  

This is all for now and I hope you enjoyed this little "encounter". I'll have to sell my 1815 as I purchased the DB25 but I'll come to it one day for sure !


Best regards,


Mark 

This message has been edited by Boréale on 2012-03-28 08:10:48


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Appendix: I forgot some figures ...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 28th, 2012-08:56
This message has been edited by Borale on 2012-03-28 09:00:51...  

What a beautiful review Mark!

 
 By: foversta : March 28th, 2012-11:15
I was happy to read it because you spoke about two brands I love. Two very different horological approaches which lead to a similar result: excellence. Thanks! Fx

I have to agree

 
 By: Ed. W : March 28th, 2012-17:39
excellent juxtaposition.

Thanks Ed :) [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 30th, 2012-08:15
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Well summarized Fx

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2012-03:28
They are trully aiming for the sky and this makes us love horology even more. Thanks again Fx Best, Mark

Superbly done face to face comparison!

 
 By: BluNotte : March 28th, 2012-18:04
Very good, and informative! Thanks Stephen

Thanks Stephen

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2012-03:29
It was a pleasure to make and now or never ^^ Best, Mark

We share the same tastes, Mark

 
 By: sanro : March 29th, 2012-02:35
I also have both the 1815 and the DB25, but both in white gold. I don't think I could part with the 1815 for the DB...but I would happily let the 1815 go if it was in exchange for a 1815 chrono Enjoy your DB and try not to miss too much your 1815...it wil... 

Yes indeed,

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2012-11:53
I knew you had a DB12 and the 1815 (and also the 5159 I like very much) but didn't know you had a DB25. For sure I'll miss this 1815, especially the light and colors emited by the rose gold and the silver dial and this finish standard. I look forward to b... 

Oh, but the 5159g is gone...

 
 By: sanro : March 30th, 2012-17:36
In all honesty, my presbyopia did not let me see it well at all, so I do not miss it as much as I should...

Interesting reading, Mark.

 
 By: amanico : March 29th, 2012-03:36
I see them very different. Well, manual versus auto, 2 versus 3 hands, classic versus modern in the style, the lugs, and the finish of the movements. Thanks for the interesting idea to put them side by side. You said that you had to sell one to fund the o... 

You said it right

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2012-12:00
I have a slight preference for some of the DB25's features and, as you said, there is always a "maybe" that will make us still love the one we sometime have to sell. As a great Austrian philosopher said : "I'll be back" (I hope !) Thanks for your input Ni... 

Thanks Mark,

 
 By: stere : March 29th, 2012-04:51
for this great review. Both are so beautiful watches and it seems that are so many people like them both although there are completely different at first view. stere

Yes it seems to be a reccuring opinion

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2012-12:03
Many people love both of them, and for good reasons Thanks ! Mark

Thank you Alex !

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 29th, 2012-12:05
Yes one of them is enough to give enough thrill ! Best, Mark

Both manufactures are conducted by talented designers, sure

 
 By: Geo : March 30th, 2012-10:17
but the DeBethune is só sensational. That watch makes my heart beat. The Lange 1815 is for sure a very good watch, as are all their watches, but I find them so incredible boring, especially when compared to a brand like DeBethune. Amazing watch that DB 25... 

I find myself in how you feel about the DB25

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 1st, 2012-03:34
that's why this is the one I chose to keep. Thanks for the thought ! Best, Mark

Wonderful write-up, Mark!

 
 By: KIH : March 30th, 2012-21:16
They are both attractive, except for the size, but excellent read nonetheless. Thank you for sharing it with us. Best, Ken

Thanks Ken !

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 1st, 2012-03:37
It was a pleasure to make it as it was interesting for me too to make this exercize. Have a good week-end, Mark