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Comparison review: Tissot Seastar 1000 vs. Seiko 5
Apr 03, 2014,14:07 PM
Comparison review: Seiko 5 Sports and Tissot Seastar 1000
by Marcus Hanke
The
Seiko 5 is the cheapest sports watch classic with mechanical movement,
while the Seastar 1000 is the most recent version a traditional sports
watch series by the Swiss manufacturer Tissot. It is also among the
cheapest automatic diving watches from a major Swiss brand. Here is a
comparison review, which one is better?
While
spring is not really here yet - at least in most parts of the Northern
hemisphere - , summer is waiting around the corner, and like every year,
many watch enthusiasts will ask the same question: Which watch for
vacation, or outdoor activities?
In my previous vacation watch
reviews, the timepieces were selected following various criteria, but
the price was rarely one of them. This time, I decided to choose the
most inexpensive automatic watches manufactured by well-known and
traditional brands from Asia, better: Japan, and Switzerland and to
review them side-by-side.
The common criteria both had to meet
were: solid construction, with a water tightness rating of at least 100
meters; good legibility with sufficient contrast of hands and dial, also
with luminous elements; date display. Finally, since they are
summertime watches, spots of colour other than black and white were
desired.
The two contenders were found rather quickly:
Japan
is sending a true classic into the competition: the Seiko 5. Born more
than 50 years ago, in 1963, the Seiko 5 was always meant to be a robust,
reliable and inexpensive sports watch. The “5” in its series
designations stands for:
* automatic movement
* watertight (30 meters minimum)
* shock resistant
* solid steel case
* date and weekday display
Since
then, the Seiko 5 became the best selling automatic watch series in the
history of horology. The movements used were constantly modernised, and
there were - and are - countless different models and styles available.
Yet still the price is not only competitive, but constantly held below
the competition. The only sacrifice necessary to achieve this was the
relocation of the Seiko 5 production from Japan to China.
Here in
Austria, the Seiko 5 list prices start at 250 Euros, up to 290 EUR.
However, it is difficult to find them at the dealers, since most local
Seiko dealers concentrate on multi-functional quartz or spring drive
timepieces, rather than considering Seiko’s mechanical lines. As a
consequence, Seiko friends are often forced to search for alternative
distribution channels, with the convenient side effect of even lower
prices.
The Seiko 5 model I opted for is ref. SRP145K1, an
attractive and unusual military style watch with green dial, compass
bezel and a matching green textile strap. Since the models are changing
very quickly in the series, it might be discontinued already at the time
of writing this.
For
the Swiss bench, it was not that easy to find a good contender: There
are many brands selling Swiss watches, but the vast majority in the low
price segment are offers produced by private label manufacturers, with
only the brand names printed onto the dial. I wanted something more
original, and for this I had to look at the offerings of the more
traditional, well-known brands.
Fortunately,
the huge Swatch Group unites a manifold of brands under its roof,
covering practically all price ranges. The first impulse was to look at
Swatch, the natural choice when searching a cheap Swiss-made watch.
However, when searching for a matching competitor for the Seiko 5,
things are not so easy. Steel cases can be found in the Irony series
only, and automatic three-hand movements are used only in small watches
with a diameter of around 37mm, none of them being really good to read
under varying lighting conditions. At around the same price of the Seiko
5, Swatch offers already automatic chronographs in the Irony line.
However, I wanted to be the watches comparable, so I decided to skip
Swatch, and to look further in the group’s cosmos.
Successful I
was when turning towards Tissot. Tissot is an old brand, and always good
when searching a rather inexpensive watch with high quality, and - also
important - a unique design that is not a simple knock-off. My choice
finally fell on the Tissot Seastar 1000.
Tradition-wise,
the Tissot Seastar can well be compared with the Seiko 5, since it was
also originally launched as a series in the 1960s, when Seastar became
Tissot’s designation for watertight watches with special focus on cases
and gaskets. Since then, the line has seen many iterations, and is a
popular collection subject for vintage watch lovers.
The current
Seastar 1000, launched in 2011, is offered in a choice of several
colours, and since I wanted something colourful, I acquired the version
with black dial and bright orange luminous hands and markers. At first I
was undecided between that and a Seastar with bright blue dial and
bezel, which was also presented by the dealer. However, I had enough
blue watches already, and currently like the contrast of black and
orange. The Seastar 1000 is sold in Austria at a list price of about 650
Euros with rubber strap, some 30 Euros more for the bracelet version,
which is about two and a half as much as the Seiko 5. This review tries
to figure out if the Swiss Tissot is that much better than the Seiko to
justify the price difference.
1. Case, crystal and crown
The
dimensions of both watches are very similar: The Seiko 5 has a case
diameter of 41mm, or 43mm, if measured including the compass bezel,
which is protruding over the case a bit. The Tissot Seastar is 42mm
wide. Both watches are equally high at 13mm, and are nearly equally
heavy, with 90 grams for the Seiko and 95 grams for the Tissot. An
important difference lies in the distance of the lugs: Seiko offers a
wide array of strap replacement possibilities with its standard 20mm lug
distance, while the uneven 19mm of the Tissot make it difficult to find
third party straps.
That
the Tissot appears to be much larger at first glimpse, is due to the
dial, which is considerably larger, with 20% more area than that of the
Seiko, and the black coated diving bezel, which optically extends the
black dial. Both watches appear very balanced in proportions, I
especially like that for true sports watches, they are really thin on
the wrist.
Differences become apparent
upon closer inspection: the Seiko’s steel case is polished with the only
variations in surface treatment being the upper surface of the lugs,
which are slightly brushed. Other than that, there are no facets,
geometric protrusions, chamfers or any other design features on the
case. The edges are not sharp, but appear rounded, a result of the
simple tumble polishing process.
In
direct comparison, the Tissot’s case is very different, and much more
ornamental: While the basic surface structure is brushed in different
directions for lug surfaces and case sides, there are highly polished
facets along the upper edges of lugs and case. Additionally, the case
sides feature unique polished recesses.
The
Seastar protects its crown by means of crown guards, while the Seiko
does not need such a feature: Its crown is relocated to the less exposed
position at 4, and also slightly recessed into the case, which should
protect its stem against direct hits equally well.
However, there are also
some technical differences: On the Tissot’s left side, I am astonished
to find a technical feature that 99.9 periodic percent of watch owners
will never need in their lives: a helium valve, that is useful only for
professional divers using a diving bell for extended time.
Much
more important is the difference in the water tightness ratings: While
the Seiko’s 100 meters is fully adequate for all everyday challenges,
also when swimming, the Tissot offers 300 meters and is therefore a
genuine diving watch. This higher pressure resistance is surprising,
given the similar case dimensions and the displayback and proves that
some effort has gone into the case design and the gaskets.
The
two revolving bezels are also different, due to their different
purposes: The Seastar has a classic diving bezel, rotating
counter-clockwise only, with 60 smooth, but well-defined clicks. It
could be a bit better to grip. Not common in its price class is the
bezel finish: markers and numbers are raised, while the recessed base is
galvanically coated with black colour. The triangular marker at 12
contains a bright luminous dot.
The
Seiko’s compass bezel matches the watch’s outdoor, resp. military
character. It can be turned smoothly into both directions, with no
clicks at all. Due to the protrusions at the main and intermediate
compass points, it offers a very good grip. the practical use of such a
feature, however, is very limited, if not inexistent. Maybe it is some
kind of memory aid when hiking, after a compass reading has given a
definite course to move along. The “N” can serve as a marker to measure
elapsed times, as a makeshift chronograph function. But in this
function, the high-contrast diving bezel of the Tissot is better.
Anyway, the compass bezel looks cool, and it is also well executed,
since all markings are engraved and filled with black, and not simply
printed.
Overall,
the Tissot case offers not only more optical refinement to the
spectator, but with the higher pressure resistance and the helium valve
also some technical advantages, reflecting a higher productive effort.
If this is needed, is a different question that can be answered only by
the owner.
The gap between the two watches is further widened
when checking the crystals: the Seiko 5 series traditionally uses a
specially hardened mineral crystal, called Hardlex. It is softer than
the sapphire crystal the Tissot is equipped with, and therefore more
prone to collect scratches. The larger diameter of the Tissot crystal
additionally increases the production cost. Neither of the crystals
features any anti-reflective coating which is not a problem, due to
their flatness.
Both watches have displaybacks with full threads, sapphire on the Tissot, Hardlex mineral crystal on the Seiko.
As
can be expected from a diving watch, the Tissot’s crown is screwed
down, while on the Seiko, it is not. This is okay for an allrounder
timepiece. While the former is much more elaborate in design, with a big
T on top, easy to grip and operate, the Seiko crown is pretty standard
and featureless, but also easy to use.
2. Dial and Hands
Both
dials are similar in character: With bold luminous markers and a few
numerals, they offer good contrast, at least in daylight. In darkness,
the Seiko’s own patented Lumibrite substance offers a luminous
performance similar to the well-known SuperLuminova C3. The Tissot uses
SuperLuminova with orange tint, which is far less effective. For the
desired spots of summer colour, the Seiko dial has a beautiful green
tone, while the Tissot’s impresses by its bright orange markers. Both
dials are remarkably well executed, especially when considering the
watches’ low price, and even more so when considering the dials I have
been confronted with lately in much, much more expensive timepieces. All
prints are crisp and without bleeding or other flaws, and no dust
particles are visible on the dial surfaces.
Small
details reveal the higher production effort invested into the Seastar
dial: Its center is recessed, the minute markers are printed onto a
black galvanised rehaut ring, while the completely flat Seiko dial is
held in place by a naked metal ring. On the other hand, the Seiko 5 logo
is made from well applied metal parts, and the Asian watch’s
specialty, the weekday indication aside the date, adds a great plus in
usability. Especially nice is the colour-coding of the weekdays:
Saturday is printed in blue, Sunday in red, so the weekend gets a fresh
spot of colour.
The
circular date window of the Tissot is the result of a nice design
effort: it completes the rounded marker at 3. In order to fit into this
window, the figures of the regular ETA date rings would be too large,
which is why Tissot uses a specially printed date ring with a font style
perfectly matching the dial. While it would have been great if the
date ring had an orange base colour, I have to take into account that
the black/orange dial version makes out only a small share of the Seastar 1000
production run. All other variants have bright white markers, and here
the date window matches perfectly, at a quick view upholding the
illusion of unharmed markers and no date window at all. That Tissot is
able to produce specific date rings for its inexpensive watches, makes
it the more depressing that brands charging ten or twenty times that
much for their products appear unable to show similar care for their
design coherence.
Speaking of design: Another argument for the
two watches tested is that both do not use hand designs seen a million
times elsewhere already: Seiko has polished steel hands, where the
minute hand is shaped like an arrow; not only an arrowhead, which is
very common indeed, but like a complete arrow, with the feathered tail. A
pointed tip improves the accurate reading.
The
Tissot Seastar 1000 hands remind me of an unconventional style I have
seen on a vintage timepiece lately: I
believe these hands were called “snake head”, but I am not certain about
it. Anyway, the Tissot hands are unusual and unique not only due to
their outlines, but also to their frosted metal finish, which greatly
enhances their visibility. The finish makes the metal framework appear
white above the black dial, together with the orange SuperLuminova, they
are immediately and clearly legible even at a very quick glimpse.
Both
second hands have small luminous elements as well, the Seiko has an
orange painted tip, while the Seastar has a fully orange coloured second
hand, with the Tissot-T as a counterweight at the rear end.
Once
again, the level of execution of these parts on both watches lets me
wonder about the reasons why so many, very expensive watches have
quality problems, especially noticeable on the hands. The complete lack
of paint noses, spray and similar flaws on the Tissot’s coloured second hand
suggests it has been cut from a pre-coloured metal sheet, while the
Seiko hand’s tip has been painted later, but also without any flaws.
Its unpainted metal part shows some minor scratches, though, visible
only under high magnification. It is time that the watch part suppliers
adopt this good standard as a common one for their complete production.
3. Strap and buckle
Contrary
to my expectations, I found the green nylon fabric strap of the Seiko 5
to be of good quality and matching the dial colour. Its holes
are strengthened, and the strap’s edges are well stitched, no fibres
are sticking out, even after frequent use. The length is also okay even
for wide wrists. Two metal clips, similar to those used on NATO straps,
hold the unused end of the strap. The tang buckle is strong, but cheaply
made, a stamped steel part with bead-blasted finish.
Better
in this respect is the Tissot, with a solidly milled steel buckle,
faceted and partially polished to match the style of the watch’s lugs,
the logo is engraved and black filled. The black rubber strap is very
soft and comfortable, the “Seastar” lettering looks nice. Its irregular,
T-letter structured back side, however, is very difficult to keep
clean: Sand, sweat and water build up residues hard to remove, even with
a brush. As already stated above, the 19mm width makes it difficult to
find alternatives.
4. Movement
The
cheaper Seiko is equipped with a true manufacture movement, while the
Tissot’s engine can be called manufacture in a wider sense, since the
ETA is part of the Swatch Group as well. For the overall quality,
however, it is absolutely without importance whether a movement is made
inhouse or not.
For a while, the Seiko 5 was widely considered
to be a low quality watch, since its simple automatic movement had no
provision to wind the mainspring manually. To start the watch, one had
to shake it and then to wear it very actively, until the mainspring
built up sufficient tension. Since around 2011, this drawback has been
corrected, with the advent of the cal. 4R36A, also used in the watch
reviewed. This movement has a hack second and manual winding. Aside
that, it features a power reserve of about 40 hours at an oscillation
frequency of 21,600 A/h. The rotor is winding the mainspring
bi-directionally.
In
direct comparison, the Tissot’s ETA cal. 2824-2 is very similar: It is a
bit smaller in size (ETA diameter: 25.6mm, Seiko: 27mm, ETA height:
4.6mm, Seiko height: 5.32), has a slightly shorter power reserve (38h
vs. 40h), but a higher oscillation frequency of 28,800 A/h. While both
movements share the ETAchron regulation system, the regulation of the
2824 might be a bit more sensitive due to the eccentric screw.
Small
difference exists regarding the change of the date display: the
ETA changes the date instantaneously at midnight, but the Seiko needs more
time: One hour, starting at 11 p.m., it lasts to change the date, and
another hour, until 1 a.m., until the weekday has switched, too.
Both
movements have proven their capabilities in thousands of timepieces and
are solid and reliable. Regarding their serviceability, watchmakers in
Europe are certainly less familiar with the Seiko 4R36A than with the
ubiquitous ETA 2824. However, Seiko does not use any unconventional
principles, and I was told that spare parts are readily supplied to
watchmakers, so it should not be a problem to service and repair a Seiko
5 anywhere in the world.
Comparing the surface finish of the two
movements leaves the Tissot expressing the higher effort to make the
movement appear attractive. The Seiko is rough, with scratches on the
bridges, screwheads with clear traces of automated assembly, the rotor
appears a bit wimpy, with imprints of poor quality.
The
ETA is not that much better, the only clear improvement is its rotor,
which not only has clean edges and some Geneva stripes, but its
inscriptions are engraved and filled, instead of simply surface printed.
Nice detail is the Seastar lettering and scuba diver outlines on the
rotor rim, showing that this rotor is used by the Seastar series
exclusively.
5. Accuracy
The
accuracy testing leads to most surprising results: Worn on the wrist
24/7, the cheap Seiko 5 gains an average 6.5 seconds per day, however
with quite some daily variation, between +1 and +15 seconds per day.
When subjected to the traditional COSC chronometer testing procedure
(two days each for every position, while I test in six positions, versus
five, as done by the COSC), the cal. 4R36A has no real problems to meet
the COSC chronometer criteria. In the positions 12 up and 3 up it loses
between 5 and 7 seconds per day, but in all other positions, it shows a
stable gain between 2 and 5 seconds.
The standard measuring and
adjustment procedure at Seiko for these movements is based on the three
positions 6 up, 9 up and dial up, which give the best results for the
movement tested. The other three positions perform worse, but still
good.
The daily variation in each position is fractional at 1
second. This leads to a daily loss of only 0.33 seconds. Altogether, the
Seiko’s performance is an excellent example of how good a mass-produced
mechanical movement and its fully automated assembly can be, without
any special hand-tweaking.
On the other hand, the Tissot’s cal.
2824-2 demonstrates nicely, why many watchmakers make a difference
between a movement’s adjustment and its regulation. Worn on the wrist
all day long, the Tissot gains a rather sobering 18 seconds per day.
After only three days, the Seastar is off by a minute. Closer
inspection, though, reveals that over all days, the maximum deviation
from this average 18 seconds is but one second. Making the six positions for
two days each-test, further supports my suspicion: This movement is
very well adjusted: while the mean daily rate through all positions is a
poor 18 seconds, the variation is very small, and the largest
difference between the average daily rate and the singular daily
readings is only 5 seconds, half of what the chronometer norm would
accept.
What should be improved is the regulation. Based on the
measured rates, all the watchmaker has to do is to reduce the gain a
bit, and he would not have to care about the different positions. Then
the Tissot Seastar, too, should have no problem to be well within the
official chronometer limits.
6. Ergonomics
Wearing
the watches is pure pleasure: They are light, not oversized, but
still large enough to offer a good legibility and to leave a nice
impression, have no sharp and hurting edges or protrusions. Their straps
are comfortable and long enough even for wide wrists, the simple tang
buckle permits a quick fine-adjustment of the length.
Dial
contrast and legibility of the hands is excellent in both cases, at
least during daylight. In darkness, the clear winner is the Seiko, but
only because I deliberately opted for the orange hands and markers on
the Seastar, fully aware of the fact that any colour tint drastically
reduces the efficiency of luminous pigments. No colour on the markers
would have led to a more balanced result.
For
me personally, the Seiko has a big advantage for its clever weekday
indication and its well legible date numerals. There is another issue:
All Seiko 5s have bilingual weekday rings, their imprints depending on
the markets the watches are sold in. In my case, the languages offered
are English and German. That Seiko, with its limited sales of mechanical
timepieces in German-speaking countries, nonetheless offers German
calendar indications, is a slap in the face of all the ultra-exclusive
Swiss watch manufacturers who claim that such lingual adaptions would
cost too much - for watches sold at tens of thousands Euros. It appears
that we, the customers, are far too tolerant.
7. Final Verdict:
Is there a clear winner in this comparison? As so often in life, the answer must be: it depends on the circumstances.
The
Seiko 5 is all the watch you need - point. It is a wonderful and
reliable companion in everyday life, or simply during the vacation. It
is cheap enough to become the subject of a whole collection, with a Seiko 5
for every mood, for every opportunity.
Sometimes, however,
satisfying the bare necessities is not enough. Once the taste has been
successfully spoilt, we increasingly care for the small details that are
making the difference. We want more, more refinement, more style, more
food for the eyes. And here, the Seiko cannot beat the Tissot It has
just a bit “more” in every detail: more design details on the case, more
finish details on the movement, more feeling to the bezel, more design
on the dial.
If
one desires this amount of “more”, one has also to spend more, this is
the rule. In my opinion, the price difference between the Seiko 5 and
the Tissot Seastar 1000 is justified, not only because of the sapphire
crystal, but because of the overall perceived value, which is higher on
the Tissot - because of the many details. This does not devalue the
Seiko 5, in the contrary. In all respects it proofs what is possible, if
a traditional manufacturer gets involved with the goal to offer a
maximum of technical quality at a minimum of price.
And the
Tissot should be a challenge to the rest of the industry, because it
will be difficult to find other watches with equally good technical
features and original design at a similar price. And even a two and a
half-fold price will barely offer a watch with that much more of “more”.
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