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Feb 17, 2015,02:57 AM
 

Dear Goldenlutin,


first of all I would like to introduce myself as being the person in charge of LEROY, my name is Olivier Müller. You may know that I have worked before on another project - together with Karsten Frassdorf who made it work ! -  in which we developed the "échappement naturel" that you are writing about. And I had also the luck to meet Mr Georges Daniels for a whole day when I was working at Omega (1999) and who explained me how he came to the idea of making the co-axial escapement (see hereunder).

I'm a little bit surprised on the assumptions that you are making without having seen our escapement. I think you are confusing the readers on this forum with wrong assertions and comparing a very interesting escapement and movement overall with something that has nothing in common with your AS movement.

Now a little bit of history for your enlightenment :
Pierre Le Roy (1717-1785) is the inventor of the free balance which is the base of any wristwatch escapement. He is also the inventor of the direct impulse escapement which was before the invention of the detent escapement - to which he made a major contribution and some historians give him the credit of being the inventor, which we don't do ! - which later on inspired Mr Breguet for his "échappement naturel", which much later inspired Mr Georges Daniels for his co-axial escapement (1970's). In fact those inventions initiated by Pierre Le Roy inspired Mr Jules (and not James !) Pellaton to apply for a patent on October 22 1922, that is 150 years later, for his direct impulse escapement inspired by the works of Le Roy and later Breguet.

Pierre Le Roy was also the first watch maker to understand and apply the principes of isochronism which is the base of any chronometrical precision (Catherine Cardinal in "Ferdinand Berthoud", 1984, MIH : "It is now admitted that Le Roy, long before Berthoud, had not only described but also applied to his marine chronometers the fundamental principals of modern chronometry...".

I come now to our calibre L200 and its direct impulse escapement with double terminal curves hairspring :
Unlike others we pay tribute to people who are are the genuine inventors of horological inventions. As you have seen on the pictures we have a very unusual coq bridge which is in fact a cage, called "Cage Brun", this bridge was invented in the beginning of the 20st century by a Swiss watch maker called Mr. Charles Brun.
We chose this escapement for its efficiency which is 40%  better than a Swiss lever escapement, but requires also higher skills and precision as does the "échappement naturel". To give you a better idea of the principles of our escapement, it is comparable to a "Robin" escapement (1793) which was invented 50 years after Mr. Le Roy escapement.

I would like to invite you and your fellow colleagues of ThePuristS to visit us at Baselworld (booth A51, hall 1.1, pls take an appointment !) so that you get a better idea of the tremendous work done by Karsten Frassdorf and our team at Manufacture LEROY. My personal opinion is that one should judge on facts and not beliefs, hence respecting the work of daring watchmakers. 

Thank you for understanding !
Olivier


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Exclusivity: first pictures and thoughts about the Leroy Chronometre Observatoire

 
 By: foversta : February 11th, 2015-14:54
Forewords: please note that the pictured watch is a prototype. It was assembled a few hours before the meeting with Olivier Mller, Karsten Frassdorf and Eric Giroud. At Baselworld, the watch will be available with its fully decorated movement. Leroy. A p...  

Very, very nice FX.....

 
 By: Sandgroper : February 11th, 2015-18:18
Thank you for the review. This is a beautiful watch indeed. Love the dial and I am looking forward to see the finished movement. The "Brun" cage is unusual but very attractive and adds to the very pleasant architecture of the movement. A 15 lines in a 38m... 

Is the 'Brun' cage...

 
 By: pplater : February 11th, 2015-19:00
...what we were looking at over the balance wheel of the Destriero Scafusia yesterday? Cheers, pplater.

Not sure really....

 
 By: Sandgroper : February 11th, 2015-19:39
..and to me they don't look the same. I had never heard of the "Brun" cage but if FX calls it the "Brun" cage....it must be a "Brun" cage and I find it quite attractive. Cheers Francois

How big is it? Very nice! Please come back with an approximative retail, to see if I have

 
 By: amanico : February 11th, 2015-22:41
To think about it or just to dream about it... Best, Nicolas

+1 [nt]

 
 By: dedestexhes : February 12th, 2015-00:26

Choice of 38 mm or 40 mm diameter case

 
 By: MTF : February 12th, 2015-01:08
Last year, Mr Olivier Müller outlined but did not elaborate on the reanimation of this brand name. The emphasis then was on the patrimony of the name and previous clients like H.M. Queen Victoria of Gt. Britain and Empress of India. I was also told to "be...  

Damn, I met Mr Roden at the SIHH, we spoke about many topics, but ...

 
 By: amanico : February 12th, 2015-01:24
Not about this one! Too bad. Well, I may have another opportunity, as we suggested to keep in touch. Now, 38 or 40 mm is perfect. Let's see the definitive Watch and let's have an idea of the retail... Best, Nicolas

I like it, a bit plain, but that's the idea of a chronometer! Very classy

 
 By: Ancienne Le Brassus : February 12th, 2015-01:20
And glad to see this old brand given a new lease on life!! Thanks for the report, its a beautiful movement!!! I would ask myself, why would one buy this watch over a H. Moser or something in this category? S

you have said the magic word"chronometer". this seems to be a quite..

 
 By: Ronald Held : February 12th, 2015-12:20
Desirable watch. I hope not to be crushed by the retail price. The cases in in precious metals only?

Yes, at least at this stage.

 
 By: foversta : February 12th, 2015-12:37
And you know if one day a SS version is available, I'm not sure that it would change a lot the retail price (35K CHF without taxes in PG 5N). Thanks! Fx

Beautifully made timepiece……

 
 By: Topcat30093 : February 13th, 2015-00:11
I like it a lot :) Perfect size for me, simple, yet highly accurate :) Whats not to like :)

Looks quite promising....

 
 By: Darren : February 14th, 2015-11:17
The movement is something to look at, and I like the simplicity of the dial and power reserve. Personally, I would like to see blue'd hands to stand out a bit more against the dial. As for pricing, I'd like to see a stainless steel version rather than jus... 

The direct impulse escapement...

 
 By: Goldenlutin : February 14th, 2015-14:45
seems to be the escapement which Mr Pellaton patented in 1923 and which was used in the mass produced AS 610 (a lady's watch movement) So nothing new here I guess. For the ones not willing to spend 35k, let's hunt for an AS 610 lady's watch. I am sure yo...  

+1 on the price, GL. [nt]

 
 By: amanico : February 14th, 2015-15:51

its not JUST the direct impulse escapement but everything that goes with its!

 
 By: alex : February 16th, 2015-00:37
I'm sure that the AS is a great movement but the non finished prototype of the Leroy looks much better than what can be found with AS (who is known for good strurdy movements but not finish quality), don't forget the 96 hour power reserve, the "Brun" bala... 

let's wait the finished product but...

 
 By: Goldenlutin : February 16th, 2015-06:44
KV is in a class of his own and his natural escapement, based on Breguet's work, is much more refined and complicated than the escapement now used by Leroy. By the way, I am also curious to hear why this escapement (patented by Pellaton in 1923) is suppos... 

How can you be sure that Kari's escapement is superior to Leroy's without having seen what

 
 By: alex : February 17th, 2015-00:40
Leroy has done? I used to own a Kari Twenty-8 and yes great movement but let's see what Leroy is coming up with before comparing it to mass produced AS movements BTW why are you attributing the direct impulse escapement to Pellaton whereas in the article ... 

to answer your questions...

 
 By: Goldenlutin : February 17th, 2015-02:28
To answer your questions: 1.) You must be confusing Louis Leroy and Pierre Le Roy as Louis Leroy is not mentioned in the article. Pierre Le Roy and Louis Leroy are neither from the same family nor connected otherwise. 2.) Pierre Le Roy was one of the most... 

Quae sunt Caesaris, Caesari !

 
 By: om : February 17th, 2015-02:57
Dear Goldenlutin, first of all I would like to introduce myself as being the person in charge of LEROY, my name is Olivier Müller. You may know that I have worked before on another project - together with Karsten Frassdorf who made it work ! - in which we... 

Redde Caesari quae sunt Caesaris, et quae sund Dei Deo! BIS

 
 By: Goldenlutin : February 17th, 2015-05:53
Dear Mr Mueller, Thanks you for your precious time and very informative post. Please allow me to address your concerns: 1.) I was obviously not comparing the whole movement with an AS 610 but just stating that, based on different pictures (= facts), it se... 

New LEROY calibre L100

 
 By: om : February 17th, 2015-03:17
Thank you François-Xavier for your very interesting article and the nice pictures of a prototype ! I take the opportunity to announce the second major novelty that LEROY will present at Baselworld in one month time : calibre L100 which will feature anothe... 

Very exciting to see a nice modern chronometre with...

 
 By: brandon1 : February 17th, 2015-15:52
...A true chronometre escapement and a movement designed with unique and compelling features. Would be a great watch to compare side-by-side with a UJS P8 chronometre! I can't wait to see what tricks they've employed to make the escapement wrist-ready. Th... 

+1. I will be very keen to see this beauty in the

 
 By: timerider : February 20th, 2015-12:23
metal at Basel and see how it presents under the loupe. Quite a lively thread gentlemen. Best to all, Tim

Very nice watch.

 
 By: VMM : February 22nd, 2015-07:26
Love the movement, and the "different" power reserve indicator. Thanks for sharing. vte