A repeater (minute/quarter/5 minute/etc) must be activated

Oct 13, 2007,02:47 AM
 

for every "strike" session.

It also has it's "power" charged with every activation, so it does not need its own separate "power train."

Thus, when a slide is slid, or plunger pushed, it "charges" the repeater spring and the time is "chimed" out.

Typically a repeater can be a minute repeater (strikes hours first, then quarters, then the minutes since the last quarter.

A repeater can also be a quarter repeater (hours, last quarters only)

There are also variations like 5 minute repeaters and half quarter repeaters (7 1/2 minutes)

 Sonnerie en Passant - sonnerie is a generic french term, which roughly translates to "(making or striking a) sound" and en passant=in passing

so "sounding (or striking) in passing"

A Sonnerie en Passant differs from a repeater in that it will strike the quarters and hours automatically, if set to do so. Like a grandfather clock. IT requires no user intervention, so long as it is set to do so, and the sonnerie spring is charged up.

Sonneries en passant usually comes in two flavours/modes - grande, which means it strikes the hours and the quarters, on every quarter and on the hour; and petite, which has a few variations, but classically meant it would either

1. strike only the hour on the hour, no quarters

or

2. strike only the quarters on the quarters (no hours) and only the hours on the hour

depending on the design and maker.

It can, in most versions, also strike out the time on demand, like a simple repeater. This is usually done via a simple push piece, which does not charge the spring, since the sonnerie spring is long enough to hold a "power reserve" and must, to allow the sonnerie to have power to strike automatically.

This is an example of a modern sonnerie -

The "ear" sets the mode to grande, petite, or silent.

The "plunger" on the other side is the pusher for the repeater "on demand"

Here's an example of a simple repeater -

the "slide" is on the left side of the case. It is "slid" upward to charge the repeater spring and activate the repeater train.

The slide can more clearly be seen here -

And how a repeater sounds can be heard here - click below

http://www.ThePuristS.com/repeaters/ThePuristS8.wmv

 

Cheers,

TM

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Minute Repeaters

 
 By: mobeme : October 13th, 2007-02:12
Can someone pls tell me the difference between a Minute Repeater and a Grande Sonnerie? Is it that a GS automatically chimes every quarter? Many thanks G.

A repeater (minute/quarter/5 minute/etc) must be activated

 
 By: ThomasM : October 13th, 2007-02:47
for every "strike" session. It also has it's "power" charged with every activation, so it does not need its own separate "power train." Thus, when a slide is slid, or plunger pushed, it "charges" the repeater spring and the time is "chimed" out. Typically...  

Thanks for the very clear overview ...

 
 By: AndrewD : October 13th, 2007-04:09
Dear Thomas, So does that mean that the Sonnerie en Passant must have at least 2 barrels, one for the escapement and one for the sonnerie? Do they ever have more? It probably varies dramatically between watches and whether they are in the Grand or Petit m... 

Yes, Sonnerie en passant requires two barrels. exactly as you noted.

 
 By: ThomasM : October 13th, 2007-12:58
Hi, Andrew, The two lower barrels are wound by the gear in the center (three gears at the top in the picture) - the crown winds bi-directionally, one way for the timekeeping, the other for the sonnerie. I have heard of some attempts to run the sonnerie of...  

FP Journe's Sonnerie has only one barrel...

 
 By: JGV : October 14th, 2007-06:27
Hi Thomas, I'm almost afraid to correct you on this topic, but the FP Journe Sonnerie uses one barrel only. Luckily I have a purists article to back me up http://www.thepurists.net/Patrons/members/ian_s/journesonsouv/sonsouv2.htm Regards, Joram

Thomas...

 
 By: mobeme : October 14th, 2007-16:32
Thomas, may I ask two more things : - what reference is the AP you have in the picture you posted? It's absolutely superlative. Discontinued I presume? - I read somewhere that the IWC Porto MRs don't have the hammers exposed on the back of the movement. D... 

GS's

 
 By: mobeme : October 13th, 2007-09:30
Thomas Many thanks indeed for your great explanation - very helpful. From this I infer that Sonneries are signficantly more more complicated/expensive than Repeaters. Who are the main producers of GSs? I know of AP and FPJ. If I'm not mistaken PP only mak... 

Sonneries are an order of magnitude more complex than simple repeaters.

 
 By: ThomasM : October 13th, 2007-13:03
Hi, G, Keeping in mind that expense and complication are not necessarily tied to each other (why would a Simplicity time only be more expensive than most perpetuals? Why would a 3970 chronograph perpetual be more expensive than some mint sonneries?) but y... 

Excellent...

 
 By: mobeme : October 13th, 2007-15:29

GS's

 
 By: mobeme : October 13th, 2007-15:02

Hi Thomas....

 
 By: SALMANPK : October 13th, 2007-16:13