I like enamel dials...

Aug 16, 2014,14:02 PM
 

Best is sometimes relative.  But here are a few things I look for...


Grand Feu enamel is a true high-heat enamel.  There are other "cold enamel" processes that are not true traditional high-heat enameling, some brands call this "lacquer dials" (like Patek Philippe accurately calls its 5119 model lacquer-dialed, but its 5116 dials enamel dials).  

The best enamel dials can probably be achieved by any manufacturer.  However, few seldom do achieve their full potential in enamel dials.  

Also, some manufactures may have varying degrees of quality on their lacquer dial based on the model in question.  

Let's explore some things to look for in a grand-feu enamel dial...  
1.  The dial substrate is usually brass, gold, or silver.  I would prefer that the substrate to be not steel since steel expands/contracts more than 
2.  The enamel powder is then sprayed on as evenly as possible.  If it's applied not evenly enough, it may crack on some of the thicker areas.  
3.  When the dial is fired in the oven, the enamel powder is effectively fused (I like to think "carmelized" since it reminds me of food) to the substrate.  
4.  It is important that the timing and temperature of the firing process is reasonably even and consistent.  Or else one portion of the dial may be "cooked" more than another portion of the dial.  This may affect appearance and durability.  
5.  Ripples in the finished product is not an undesirable thing necessarily.  Some manufactures intentionally allow a small amount of ripples (this can only be seen at an angle in the light) so the dial is more easily identified as an enamel dial.  
6.  Dial then goes through hole punching (sometimes hole is already punched) and printing after the firing.  

My favorite manufactures that make great enamel dials are:

1.  Montblanc Villeret - arguably The Best enamel dials in the business.  Great watches too.  I've seen these with my own eyes, they're exceptionally good.  
2.  Chopard L.U.C has had some nice watches with some nice enamel dials.  The Chronometer 1931 is one that comes to mind.  
3.  Lange - Lange once made a watch (Richard Lange Pour Le Merite) that had a three-part enamel dial.  This was very difficult to manufacture because the company had to join these three fragile parts together.  Many watches therefore have tiny imperfections at a weak spot in the dial where it was easily chipped.  These enamel dials also have a nice bevel-ed edge in some areas.  A very highly regarded enamel dial.  Also look at the two-part enamel dial in the Langematik Anniversary (the one with the red colored XII on the dial).  I've seen these with my own eyes, you can sometimes detect the human element, but they're still great dials and very difficult to manufacture.  
4.  Piaget - there has been at least one Altiplano with a very nice enamel dial.  I believe one of our members own one of these exceptionally thin Altiplano watches in the rare limited version with the enamel dial.  This member is an expert on all things watches including enamel dials.  
5.  Breguet is known for enamel dials and dials in general.  However, the ones I've seen, I personally don't think they're done exceptionally well.  This doesn't mean they are done less than well either.    
6.  Jaeger-LeCoultre has enamel dials but also has miniature enamel painted dials which are even more interesting.  This is a different art, this is painting-art, but it's really cool.  Only two or three persons at the factory can do it (check with user "amanico" for the latest info from JLC, he's our resident JLC expert).  
7.  Glashutte Original has something entirely different.  Bone-china porcelain dials!  Made by MEISSEN (I'm a big fan of Meissen porcelain)!  This isn't a traditional enamel dial, it's completely different, but still something interesting.  
8.  Patek Philippe has some models with enamel dials now and then.  They're rare, but not that rare.  Nothing particularly superlative about their enamel dials, just they're done very well (keep in mind, the Stern family used to be in the dial business) in both manufacturing and design.  They are extremely well executed dials, just plain good.  But still plain.  I've seen these with my own eyes and I consider them to be great traditional enamel dials.  
9.  Vacheron Constantin...  I haven't seen that many enamel dials by Vacheron Constantin, so I can't say I really know them well.  

Hope this helps!  
This message has been edited by patrick_y on 2014-08-16 14:21:49


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Which watch brands have the best enamel dials?

 
 By: John888 : August 16th, 2014-12:48
I was wondering about the opinions of collectors, which brands do you feel make the best enamel dials? Please elaborate on why. Do you think they are the best looking? Do you think they are the best quality? Do you think they are the best value? Thank you... 

I like enamel dials...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 16th, 2014-14:02
Best is sometimes relative. But here are a few things I look for... Grand Feu enamel is a true high-heat enamel. There are other "cold enamel" processes that are not true traditional high-heat enameling, some brands call this "lacquer dials" (like Patek P... 

What about Jaquet Droz and their enamel pieces?

 
 By: John888 : August 16th, 2014-14:47
What do you think of their quality of workmanship? I am speaking primarily of their Pailonnē enameled dials. John

Again, a different kind of enamel process...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 16th, 2014-15:38
Palionne enamel is significantly different from grand feu enameling. I have seen many Jacquet Droz pieces with Palionne enamel dials and they are done quite nicely. There is less competition here, and Jacquet Droz is one of the larger producers of Palionn... 

JD's enamel dials use a ceramic base plate...

 
 By: Goldenlutin : August 17th, 2014-01:36
The reason is that you don't need counter-enameling on the backside of the dial. That's the reason why they can offer an unbeatable price point on enamel dials as the production process is totally different than a traditionally crafted enamel dial.

Does somebody other than J*D…

 
 By: pplater : August 17th, 2014-04:01
…offer a paillonee dial? Who, pray tell? The J*D dial is a beast: it can be dense and impenetrable, or lucid and transparent, depending on the light. It took between 9 and 11 firings of enamel over the sunburst base to achieve the final result, accordi...  

Yes, there are...

 
 By: patrick_y : August 18th, 2014-11:43
Palionne enamel dials are not exclusive to Jaquet Droz. Some companies, such as Van Cleef and Arpels have claimed they make legitimate Palionne enamel dials as well. Nice link in your profile!

Patrick, this is almost a reference post...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : August 17th, 2014-00:10
thanks for taking the time to put it together! One question though - regarding the Richard Lange Pour Le Merite and its three-part enamel dial. You state that joining these three fragile parts together was a challenge. However, if I look at vintage pocket... 

I actually noticed the same thing.

 
 By: patrick_y : August 17th, 2014-07:37
Thank you for your thoughtful post Magnus. And thanks for the compliment! When I was at the Lange factory, the regional president with whom I was with informed me of the difficulty on the dial. I said that there have been two or three part or more enamel ... 

You cannot approach the topic by brands but rather by dial makers...

 
 By: Goldenlutin : August 17th, 2014-01:48
Almost none (if none) of the brands you talk about makes its enamel dials itself (exception: JLC makes SOME itself and JD does it industrially on a ceramic base but that's another story). They all use specialized sub-contractors for their dials. The best ... 

Good point!

 
 By: patrick_y : August 17th, 2014-07:39
One that I had mostly forgotten to consider. Thank you for your valuable input.

I quite like some of the enameling work by Ulysse Nardin

 
 By: Dave G : August 16th, 2014-17:36
They have made many pieces over the years, some in the grand feu style, and other variants. There is an excellent reference section on the UN forum here: They have a number of current models with enamel offerings including the new Marine Chronometre Manu... 

UN bought Donze Cadrans in 2011

 
 By: docsnov : August 16th, 2014-22:16
and made it a part of their manufacture. Donze Cadrans, now part of UN, does the enamel dials, and I believe they do some for other brands. Here is the Marine Manufacture as you stated, Dave. This is the only watch with an enamel dial that I own, and it d...  

A few samples

 
 By: 4Js : August 16th, 2014-18:55
Lange Lange PLM Vacheron Breguet The new Debethune Th new JLC duometre Lang & Heyne Albert Chrono Sorry, not had this one on, but Samwan one this beauty and has great photos How about this UN This JLC But I will close with a side by side VC I just wis...  

Oh, I forgot to include Julien Coudray

 
 By: 4Js : August 16th, 2014-19:02
Mesmerizing ...  

Brilliant dials, Joe.

 
 By: CaliforniaJed : August 17th, 2014-23:06
The Breguet might be my favorite! Best, CaliforniaJed

This is a difficult question to answer.

 
 By: lhk1 : August 16th, 2014-22:50
Brands like VC, Lange, JD, UN, MB Villeret and others produce watches with beautiful enamel dials. None of them can claim theirs are the best. It is undeniable that some enamel dials are out sourced. The quality is beyond the brands' control. I have perso... 

You mention Speake-Marin...

 
 By: Dave G : August 16th, 2014-22:59
The Resilience model is a good, affordable alternative to the world of enamel dials. ...  

Counter question: Which watch manufacturer produces its own enamel dials? ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : August 17th, 2014-05:24
If buying an existing enameller does not qualify, then I think Piaget might be the only one. Consequently, the search for the "best enamel dial watchbrand" should be reduced to the one able to afford the best enamellers, or the one with the tightest quali... 

Very true indeed [nt]

 
 By: Goldenlutin : August 17th, 2014-07:55

Ulysse is the only brand I know that is able to...

 
 By: GLau : August 18th, 2014-00:13
...produce different types (champlevé, cloisonné, enamel painting) of enamel dials, for its own and other brands' watches, after the purchase of Donze Candran (a specialist enamel dial maker). I only have their champlevé pictorial dials (Dragon and Serpen... 

Donzé also makes (made?) enamel dials for Patek ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : August 18th, 2014-03:22
... as you can see on this picture I shot two years ago: Other customer brands include(d) R. Dubius, Bovet, JLC, Lang&Heyne, Breguet, and Omega. Regarding Omega, I have been informed that the Swatch Group now has own facilities to produce enamel di...  

Bespoke enamel dials

 
 By: BCHH : August 17th, 2014-13:53
Does anyone happen to know if any brand offers BESPOKE enamel dials? I think VC is the only possibility so far...

Ulysse Nardin did accept custom orders ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : August 17th, 2014-14:44
... here is a strikingly beautiful example, from our UN enamel dial reference gallery: This was the original design, assembling the favourite animals of the customer's daughter: And this is what the final product looked like: Marcus ...  

I found these very nice and interesting

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : August 17th, 2014-23:57
Regards Damjan

Who is the Enameler for Jaquet Droz's Pailonné Dials

 
 By: John888 : August 18th, 2014-15:48
Does Jaquet Droz use the same person to do their pailonné enamel work? If so, who is it? Does that person work exclusively for Jaquet Droz?

At the begining it was Anita Porchet who also does work for other brands

 
 By: mkt33 : August 18th, 2014-20:42
but Paillonnee work only for J*D Here is a post from a visit we made a few years ago Enjoy, Mike

Do you know who does Blancpain's enamel dials?

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : August 19th, 2014-00:54
And do you have an idea about their quality compared to others? It appears to be a recent addition to the Blancpain line. Best, Magnus

Personally

 
 By: el1125 : August 18th, 2014-17:48
I like this one. Enamel part is so small, which truly makes it hard to produce. Plus watch is also very usable and functional with it being a worldtimer. It's pure art PLUS functionality! ...  

I read in a HK watch magazine

 
 By: tom2517 : August 21st, 2014-00:32
That Hermes raided and now has many of the top enamel artists, not necessary to make watch dials, but for bracelets and etc.