I think it's as much about what can be done as what should be done.

Oct 02, 2012,21:34 PM
 

For a long time, the 2.5 hz standard (18,000 vph) was state of the art. My guess is that below that rate there's a real drop-off in precision; I have never seen a watch, even a really old one, that used a slower rate.

The first move was a small one, to 2.75hz (19,800 vph). That must have made a lot of difference, as the heavyweights went with it: for example, it was included in Rolex's transition from caliber 1560 to caliber 1570; Patek's from caliber 12-600 to 27-460; IWC's caliber 85 to 852; etc. Presumably the manufacturers would have liked to go farther, say to 21,600 vph, but I think the required mainspring strength, manufacturing precision and lubricants were hard to come by. Thus, there aren't as many 21,600 vph movements around as one might expect.

Then there must have been some technological breakthroughs because suddenly everyone was manufacturing movements at 28,800 vph. (Not everyone; some companies really had a tough time getting over that hurdle and stayed behind for years or even decades.) I think this made a huge difference in watch performance in the low and middle ranges, although perhaps less at the top end. (It's interesting that some of the top brands were relatively slow to move to 28,800 vph. A really well-made 19,800 vph movement, with Breguet hairspring and variable inertia balance, is still quite competitive with a freshly- serviced high-beat movement and may gain an advantage a couple of years after servicing as it is less reliant on optimum lubrication conditions. In my limited experience, however, no 18,000 vph movement is in the same league.)

The next question would be why only a few companies moved on to 36,000 vph. As the owner of a couple of those contraptions, I think it's fair to say that the maintenance issues exceeded the timekeeping benefit. It's also interesting that Omega, for its coaxial escapements, scaled back from 28,800 to 25,200 vph. It's really quite a fine balancing act.

Generally, in movement design a faster beat correlates with a smaller balance. Since larger balances on the whole perform better than smaller ones, there are always tradeoffs.

In addition to purely mechanical issues, there is the question of how a movement's beat correlates with normal human activities. It's a bad thing to have the watch's natural rhythm tend to synchronize with the wearer's natural rhythm, as there will be a tendency for errors to be reinforced.

Leaving aside pure timekeeping performance, I do enjoy the look and sound of slower-beat movements.

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7,200vph = 1Hz / 18,000vph = 2.5Hz / etc...

 
 By: elliot55 : October 2nd, 2012-12:51
It is truly amazing that something so small and delicate can oscillate hundreds, if not thousands of times per hour. A vast majority of mechanical watches run at 28,800vph, or what is referred to as 4Hz. This means that the palette fork will go back and f... 

in the most basic terms, higher frequency = greater resolution and more resistence

 
 By: ThomasM : October 2nd, 2012-17:48
to perturbations, both of which CAN aid accuracy, both actual and perceived, but don't guarantee it. some would argue that the soothing sonic beat qualities of a low beat escapement offset any advantages of possible better accuracy of the high beat. I inv... 

Brilliant!

 
 By: elliot55 : October 2nd, 2012-20:11
Thanks so much for the feedback. I am eager to learn more about how and why watchmakers choose the frequency to utilize in their watch. Much appreciated. - Scott

I think it's as much about what can be done as what should be done.

 
 By: mkvc : October 2nd, 2012-21:34
For a long time, the 2.5 hz standard (18,000 vph) was state of the art. My guess is that below that rate there's a real drop-off in precision; I have never seen a watch, even a really old one, that used a slower rate. The first move was a small one, to 2.... 

Awesome Insight

 
 By: elliot55 : October 3rd, 2012-04:45
MKVC - Thanks so much. Your informative post (which I've now read three times) only makes me want to delve that much deeper! - Scott

i had a Lange & Sohne marine chronometer from 1943 that ticked twice per minute

 
 By: G99 : October 5th, 2012-01:39
Not sure how many bph or hz that is, but when i had it running it sounded very relaxing and only beaten by my grandfather clock that ticks every second. I like the sound of an 18000 bph watch, but as we dont hold them to our ear all day i dont mind what s... 

My Atmos Clock

 
 By: elliot55 : October 8th, 2012-16:31
Hey, G - I think my ATMOS runs modestly, with the regulator making a full sweep every thirty seconds. So is this 1Hz? Are clock escapements measured the same way? I tried to pose this question to Martin Braun the other night and he just looked at me as if... 

I forgot my atmos. A...

 
 By: G99 : October 9th, 2012-00:32
I forgot my atmos. A beautiful slow rotation that mesmerises you, especially with a mirror behind it. G

Confusion from clocks :)

 
 By: nickd : October 9th, 2012-04:47
Clock pendulums were traditionally referred to in terms of the time to make one half-swing (eg from left to right), probably because most of the escapements acted on both the L->R and R->L swings and you design the wheel train to count the "ticks". A pend... 

AtmosI

 
 By: nickd : October 9th, 2012-05:24
I just looked up Atmos. 2 oscillations per minute=1 oscillation in 30s (the period). f=1/T the frequency is 1/30s=0.033 Hz. Alex

Much obliged...

 
 By: elliot55 : October 9th, 2012-07:20
Nick - Thank you for your post! Great explanation. Clears up many questions. Now I can't stop staring at my Atmos! - Scott

Yes, i must say a ...

 
 By: G99 : October 9th, 2012-08:50
Yes, i must say a big thank you as well Nick. Clocks will never appear the same again. Best G On Oct 9, 2012 3:20 PM, "www watchprosite" *Alert from:* www:watchprosite > *Posted By:* elliot55 (registered) on October 9th, 2012 - 07:20 > > *Title: Much obli...