The gender factor among items with intelectual movments..take photography, cars and books

Mar 18, 2014,01:47 AM
 

Remove the genderization of a commercial product, and the audience expands, and discussions go deep into emotional territory. Women can bring that in. Watches have colored my marriage, bonded my family, as it is an object easy to love, sentimental, lasts forever, and can travel beyond my days on earth.

A watch is a foot print of my stay.

Once, just back in 1958, in Singapore, and Malaysia, my family, being Chinese, but educated in English were not allowed to enter most of the British facilities or watch collecting (if there were), clubs...golf and polo are good examples.

Now. Just going back in time...as I am a doctor, it is a part of history which remains a stain on us.

 

Dogs and women not allowed. The sign on the store...

British suffragettes,which were mostly women from upper and middle-class backgrounds, frustrated by their social and economic situation in 1918 to 1933 and on...the women were TORTURED, abused, forced to suffer inside "institutions".

The argument was that women should not get the vote because they were too emotional and could not think as logically as men; their violent and aggressive actions were used as evidence in support of this argument.

Well, unlike the internet age, information and points of view were male dominated.

In the early twentieth century until WW 1, approximately one thousand suffragettes were imprisoned in Britain.Most early incarcerations were for public order offenses and failures to pay outstanding fines.

Suffragettes became a liability because if they were to die in the prison’s custody the prison would be responsible for their death, and as a result, prisons began the practice of force feeding the suffragettes through a tube, most commonly a nostril or stomach tube or a stomach pump.

The use of force feeding had previously been practiced in Britain; however, its use had been exclusively for patients in hospitals who were too unwell to eat or swallow food properly, and despite the fact that this practice had been deemed safe by medical practitioners for sick patients, it posed issues for the healthy suffragettes.

The process of tube feeding was strenuous; without the consent of the hunger strikers, they were typically strapped down and forced to eat via stomach or nostril tube, often with a considerable amount of force.

 

Many women found the process painful, and after the practice was observed and studied by several physicians, it was deemed to have both short-term damage to the circulatory system, digestive system and nervous system and long term damage to the physical and mental health of the suffragettes.

 

Suffragettes who were force fed were also known to develop pneumonia as a result of a misplaced tube.

 

Watches? I am all for removing the perception of what is male, for men only, etc. Hence, often a diamond laced bracelet or pink strap for a diving watch is enough.

Greubel Forseys are exceptional. Lange One Tourbillon Perpetual Celendar "Handwerskunst" is the first of the BEST ladies welcome to watch collecting!

 

They have their selling point and power within the aesthetic of the finish, the use of needful practice of aesthetics, to enhance life of the product. VERY few products sell for MORE then when bought new.

 

Greubel Forsey? Well if you look carefully at the sold out IP 1,2 and 3 in platinum...yes..I had to pay much more for my second hand one.

 

It's like buying a new Monet?!?

I did not have the cash to buy new..so I had to save, put aside each month...till both stars aligned and I had money and a seller.

Hardly any platinum GF come back into the market..the good rare and desired ones.

I am speaking now of the VISION 30.

 

The IPs? If I had money..I would have bought, and used, wear them as often as I can...and never sell in my lifetime.

 

My daughters and my wife have already had the chance to wear them..red strap at the balls and dinners...with full length gowns. These look good there, and attract attention of men who are not looking for status symbols, as Greubel Forseys do not play at status from their superlative positioning, and understated look from afar.

 

The prices also put them far away from status...too expensive.

I would say that they do NOT attract women to women. Jewelry does. Shoes and handbags do.

A lady wearing a Cabestan...that's my wife.

Also an MBF1.

My girls are NOT watch people, but they do know more than a normal chap...and about high end audio as well.

Which is why I brought up the topic of the women before WW1.

With the commencement of the First World War, the women's focus on war work turned public opinion in favor of their eventual partial enfranchisement in 1918.

http://ovidiayu.wordpress.com/2009/04/16/statement-from-new-chickens-in-aware-coup/

 

is a link to my first comments in public during a political issue involving women. Not watches, but rights.

To move to the higher stage of authenticity, and emotional boost..watches must engage women on the emotional front, which is art's Achilles heel. The same goes for photography in the early pre 35mm years.

Cars and planes too had their women versus men days.

Take away the men's product only..by not focusing on women's watches...build the beautiful tourbillon for a woman, but advertise it for men.

 Thanks Forvesta for these pics in your post

 







Remove the tag: DRESS watch. I wish to say...special watches for extreme conditions and activity. All the rest...are made as good as it gets.

 

Greubels to me, are and have been always there...I never write about watches I don't own. I think it is OK. I don't think that my way of EXTREME critic or praise can be applied to watches UNLESS I own them.

That's just me.

This message has been edited by bernard cheong on 2014-03-18 01:56:02


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The range of collecting from 1990 till today, no matter what, exclusivity can be harmful

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 10th, 2014-03:08
Being exclusive will usually mean being expensive. It takes decades as well as many psycho and social links to open a market for collectables. I am always FOR the watch collecting hobby to become a mix of exclusive and inclusive..like the collecting of an...  

Well said

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : March 10th, 2014-03:38
Specially like the "I hope we all have fun, and will conquer our insecurities" part Watches aren't shabby either but far from cheap & ordinary :) Cheers D

Boy that is mighty generous of you, Bernard. Can you tell me...

 
 By: Ronald Held : March 10th, 2014-10:39
More about that vabene tourbillon?

Thanks Ronald. It's a doctor thing from the old days.more pics soon.

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 10th, 2014-18:33
The tourbillon...it is probably Chinese...but if you wait...I will post more. the cage is a typical swiss tourb which the Chinese never did often....they used the carousel type. This tourb is an unfinished, unpolished raw movement...that works very well..... 

thanks for sharing Bernard....we should do a straw poll on everyone's favourite!!

 
 By: Hororgasm : March 10th, 2014-21:36
I would have chosen the GF IP1, but instead, its the Cabestan that captures my imagination most. best, Horo

We do not have to be rich. We need discipline to save, luck to have one on FS

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 11th, 2014-02:02
I was owner number 1 for the Cabestan, brand new. Owner number 3 for the Greubel Forsey..and I was fated to own it. I wanted 00 of 11...but no money. Owners 1 made a KILLING...owner 2 owned for a short while, enough to make a second profit. At above $500,... 

I love the watches from both sides of the spectrum

 
 By: Nicko16 : March 11th, 2014-02:01
From the simple time only Patek, to the designs from childhood MB&F, The Captain Nemo VH and the Machine looking Cabestan.

I have some really strange watches!!! Will post.

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 11th, 2014-04:41
These are from my 1990 days. Good to see they are healthy.

Wonderful.....

 
 By: Darren : March 11th, 2014-07:19
Always love to see your timepieces. Quite a range across your collection. Can't wait to see what you have coming down the pike. Darren

I will prepare the next post..collecting and sharing is good for stress

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 11th, 2014-07:51
I hope that I do not come across wrong as boastful, and if so..forgive me. I just wish to have the entire young and old world friends discover a wonderful and hopefully inexpensive way to enjoy life.

I've never seen that Vabene before! Now I need one!

 
 By: nicewatch : March 13th, 2014-20:56
Thank you for sharing your wonderful collection. And thank you for educating me on Vabene, i had never heard of them before. I think I need to find one of their tourbillons for myself!

A Proper Real Tourbillon..

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 14th, 2014-00:41
I am tempted to have the watch dismantled and the tourbillon alone polished.

Bernard....

 
 By: Gianko : March 15th, 2014-07:45
...Only your crazyness ( forgive me for that word ) can dismantle the watch to have only the tourbillon polished !! Great Bernard....do it please...so we can admire the lovly polished than !! Who will polish than ?? Let's guess !!! Have a nice week end...... 

Info

 
 By: Gianko : March 15th, 2014-07:56
Bernard, that black LV it's smashing !! I think in that box missing some pieces, like the OPUS and also some Horological Machines...without them the future generations cannot understand the level that we have reached !! Best Giancarlo

Yes. You are right. I am currently restoring another box(es) of 8 (16)

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 26th, 2014-18:36
Then we would have for the purists...a good span.

Wow

 
 By: Gianko : March 27th, 2014-07:00
Beanrd, you know we all want to see the pictures !! I'm loking forward to it ! Best Giancarlo

I knew about them Gianko..I was on the same jury with Stephen and Robert in 2011

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 27th, 2014-08:08
BUT... the big thing was I was and still am VERY sure that work as GOOD as what Greubel Forsey did, I was on the jury before 2011, in 2010 that awarded them... would always be FULLY booked and bought and sold out when(1) they make 100 a year, (2) they kno...  

Bernard....

 
 By: Gianko : March 28th, 2014-07:13
...belive me I know very well that you were sitting next to them at 2011 GPHG....(I also saw some pic of you next to Setephen at the jury table).. and exactely for that reasons I was wondering ever more how you can recognize their superlative job only now... 

so your daughter is a watch nut too?

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : March 15th, 2014-19:07
why would she want men's watches (apart from the resale value)?

The gender factor among items with intelectual movments..take photography, cars and books

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 18th, 2014-01:47
Remove the genderization of a commercial product, and the audience expands, and discussions go deep into emotional territory. Women can bring that in. Watches have colored my marriage, bonded my family, as it is an object easy to love, sentimental, lasts ...  

dude....

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : March 18th, 2014-18:35
chill out.... I was just wondering because of the size of most (aimed at) men watches. If a lady has got a lady-like wrist it often doesn't look right (40 mm+) and isn't comfortable wearing (at least that's what I often was told by the ladies). Again: jus...  

You are right..I must. Too much of women's rights activism for me. chuckles...more

 
 By: bernard cheong : March 18th, 2014-23:03
I mean all in good faith. More to try to get as much of my wife to accept more watches. And to bring a hobby for sharing between the married guys.