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The legend that is the 5070 ...
Dec 22, 2020,10:50 AM
The 5070 was a big departure for Patek Philippe in design terms and especially the case size.
My opinion is that it is both an important watch in the history of Patek Philippe and a beautiful chronograph.
All the versions have a unique character but I decided to choose the platinum version.
Thank you for taking the time to post your views on this reference and hopefully it will inspire others to enjoy this great watch.
Best regards
The Captain
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Patek Philippe 5070 : An In Depth Review.
By: amanico : December 22nd, 2020-08:14
- INTRODUCTION - When you're considering building a collection of fine Chronographs the 5070 is certainly a piece which comes or will come to your mind, along with some past or recent models such as the Lange Datograph, the Vacherons (Les Historiques / Ma...
Thanks. [nt]
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-13:06
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Thanks for your input, Alex
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-13:41
Can you tell us more about the finish on the VC Chrono movement, my friend? Best, Nicolas
Those chronographs are all stunning
By: Dje : April 20th, 2010-03:59
Hi Nicolas, Thank you for this superb review. Even if it's expressing your point of view, it is very well made and can really help someone make his mind. As you can imagine I don't share all your opinions but all your opinions are totally respectable IMVH...
Interesting....
By: MiniCooper : April 20th, 2010-11:48
do you think that the PP finishing on all models is the same to Lange? thanks cheers
The 5170 doesn't have a flyback... The 1815 does.
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-12:32
The true competitors of the PP 5070, are, mechanically speaking, the VC Chronos. They share the same base, they don't have flybacks. So, yes, the 1815 doesn't not have a Date, but its movement is almost identical to the Dato, and can't be considered a a t...
Also.....
By: MiniCooper : April 20th, 2010-12:34
good point on comparing the PP (even the new model) with the 1815.... cheers
Well, Jerome
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-13:06
There are a lot of things to say about the 5070 and the VC... I'm not really sure that the CH 27 - 70 is better finished than the VC movement. But yes, it seems that PP reworked and finished it, while VC " only " finished " the movement. As for the Dato, ...
Well it depends...
By: Dje : April 20th, 2010-23:06
Hi Nicolas, " I'm not really sure that the CH 27 - 70 is better finished than the VC movement. " The finish is not extremely different, and IMO the finish of the CH27-70 improved in time. The last ones are better finished than on the first 3970 for me. " ...
Interesting rumour
By: PoyFR : April 21st, 2010-00:43
Dje You say: ‘If only that could be true, but AFAIK VC does not finish the calibre, it is finished and assembled at Lemania, that's why the VC has the very same finish as the Breguet.’ I will not comment now as I am running at out time, but I will gladly ...
Well, in-house Dressage on its own is approximately 11 hours
By: PoyFR : April 21st, 2010-23:28
Copy/Paste from Vacheron Constantin Forum, article by: Alex Ghotbi 'To give you two examples of this, a plate for a skeleton watch can take over a day just to bevel, a tourbillon bridge requires over 11 hours of black polishing. In January, 100 caliber 11...
Your link doesn't work
By: Dje : April 21st, 2010-23:39
Hi Yves, Your link doesn't work but I found this one: www.thehourlounge.com That may explain an evolution? I was there in 2005 and I know what was told to me at that time. Things may have changed and obviously if they now produce the parts they certainly ...
The link works perfectly, just in case here again
By: PoyFR : April 21st, 2010-23:59
www.thehourlounge.com I have known Vacheron Constantin for a long time, many years. I can assure that there nothing that can remotely allow anyone to associate them with or as an assembler. Speaking of Vacheron Constantin is speaking about fine horology. ...
full article here
By: PoyFR : April 22nd, 2010-00:07
Article from Vacheron Constantin Forum / Alex Ghotbi Movement Finish: The True Mark of Haute Horlogerie At An age where powerful computer aided design machines can design any watch and where the whole industry is trying to go upscale, there is one major e...
Sorry but
By: Dje : April 22nd, 2010-11:14
Hi Yves, Sorry but your second link still doesn't work (at least with my computer)! Don't worry I don't need such a lesson about Vacheron Constantin! I've looked closely at them for more than 20 years now. I certainly don't know all, but enough to not agr...
No need to be sorry
By: PoyFR : April 22nd, 2010-13:17
I fail to understand your sentiment when you say: 'I don ' t need such a lesson' I am far from the thought of giving a lesson to anyone, you included. I am sharing gathered knowledge on this topic, that is all you ought to here read. I would be sorry to l...
By the way
By: Dje : April 22nd, 2010-23:06
Hi Yves, You links work from my house but not from my office, I don't know why! Sorry about that. Cheers Dje
Yves, please see my reply to Amanico below
By: ThomasM : April 23rd, 2010-09:07
click here Not directed at Alex Ghotbi or VC (I consider Alex a personal friend and he is, historically, the VERY FIRST PERSON to ever post on a PuristS forum, and as such, is an Original Purist Emeritus) specifically, but you and I both know that marketi...
Only JLC has a history of true manufacture...
By: AJ : April 23rd, 2010-08:19
Dear DJE, Only JLC has a history of true manufacture. Members of the grand three (PP, VC, and AP) do not have such history. VC is no exception. Therefore, writing, as you did, that "Vacheron Constantin is not historically a calibre maker..." needs some ba...
...on historical facts
By: AJ : April 23rd, 2010-10:43
Thank you for your input, TM, Indeed, Victorin Piguet should be included in the list of specialist firms that provided chrono calibers to PP. (Although, I was inder the impression that the majority suppliers since the 1960's were Valjoux cal. 22/23 and Le...
This is fun!
By: ThomasM : April 23rd, 2010-12:07
...on historical facts Date: Apr 23, 2010,10:43 AM - (view entire thread) | Share Adjust Font Size: >> - | + "Indeed, Victorin Piguet should be included in the list of specialist firms that provided chrono calibers to PP. (Although, I was inder the impres...
Now that's an excellent idea, Jerome.
By: amanico : April 23rd, 2010-22:32
I'm sure that a bottle of " Bas Armagnac " will help us a lot ot feed the discussion about the finish of these fine( de fine ) Chronos... This time, let's just take our precautions and get some apsirin before! )) Best, Nicolas
I fully agree with what you write AJ!
By: Dje : April 23rd, 2010-14:45
Hi, And that was not my intention to state anything about Patek Philippe in fact. I wrote like I could have done on the VC forum. Cheers Dje
As the in house finish of the movement by VC
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-23:45
When I prepared the in depth review on the VC " Les Historiques " Chrono, I did some searches and fell on 2 theories. One said that the finish was made by Lemania under VC specifications, as you said. Others said that VC finished the Lemania movement. I h...
No problem here Thomas
By: PoyFR : April 23rd, 2010-11:52
On the topic, to me whereas it is a Patek, Breguet, Vacheron, Omega and many others, the movement is a Lemania belonging to Breguet. So to me all of those Chronographs should be regarded for anything else than their branded cosmetics values, safe for Breg...
Thank you, PoyFR
By: ThomasM : April 23rd, 2010-16:10
I appreciate your friendship and I especially appreciate that you consider yourself a guest here; many of the "other guests" too often forget that. Fairness and consistency is the anti-thesis of hyprocrisy, and you know how I feel about hypocrisy... Cheer...
Thanks to you and Jerome for your historical inputs.
By: amanico : April 23rd, 2010-22:39
But we also were discussing about the finish of the " Les Historiques " and Malte Chronos, which use the same Lemania movement than in the current Patrimony Chrono, AFAIK. So, it was interesting, and not out of topic, to discuss about it, IMO. Best, Thoma...
Very interesting review Nicolas
By: patrickh : April 20th, 2010-05:13
I like your approach of these stunning chronographs. You share with us your love for all these "high" valuable watches. I re-read with pleasure your post and try to enter deeply in your photos. Thanks +++++ Wear yours in good health, for sure. Cheers, pat...
Thanks for your nice words, Patrick
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-13:44
Yes, I love all of these 4 beasts, for what they are: Very fine Chronos. The comparisons have their own limits, indeed. But they all share the status of Fine Chronos. Best, Nicolas
Thanks a lot, my friend.
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-10:59
I remember some of your tremendous wrist shots... Best, Nicolas
Fantastic ...
By: Chris Meisenzahl : April 20th, 2010-06:05
My dream watch!!!
Thanks, Chris
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-13:51
Wish you the best in your hunt, and that one day, your dream comes true... I had to wait 6 years for it! BUT I got it, FINALLY! Best, Nicolas
THANK YOU !!!!!
By: Bruno.M1 : April 20th, 2010-06:23
Ofcourse I wa slooking forward to this review. It took quite some time but now I see why For me, a BIG 5070 fan this is one of the best reviews I ever read. And I'm sure i will click this link many times in the years to come. Can't agree on all your point...
Don't get me wrong, Bruno
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-14:15
As I warned, comparisons have their own limits. I said that the Dato and the Duometre could be compared to the 5070 only because the 5070 is claimed by many as THE best Chrono in the world, and because, of course it belongs to the category of Fine Chronog...
Great Review
By: Quan : April 20th, 2010-06:41
Thanks Nic to confirm on my right choise of 5070G ... LOL
Well, so much fun to read this review, Nicolas!
By: respo : April 20th, 2010-07:01
I know you have been thinking about these four chronos for a long time, and it is great to have a better understanding of your thoughts on these watches. I was dying to see your comparison of the Duometre and the 5070. I was surprised by some of what you ...
Thanks a lot, Respo
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-21:45
That's the Beauty of our Passion: Everybody has its own Champion, among these 4. Some are better than others on some points, indeed, and wouldn't the Best of these 4 be a blend of each of them? The thinness of the PP case, the innovation of the Duometre, ...
Excellent comparative review!
By: radone : April 20th, 2010-08:47
Thank you, Nicholas, for the detailed comparison. Useful reading for chronograph fans. There are two more chronos, in my humble opinion, that share the same pedigree with the ones in your analisys: Breguet 5237 and Roger Dubuis Hommage Chronograph. I only...
Of course, I could have included some more Chronos
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-22:52
Like this R.D ,or the U.N Chrono Monopusher: Or THE Vintage Reference: The Longines 13 ZN or 30 CH, with the screw in case back, which are among the nicest ever made. There is always something subjective in this kind of review, indeed. And I'm very happy ...
I will probably take the time to review it but...
By: radone : April 21st, 2010-00:22
Unfortunately, even if it has the Louvelle Lemania mechanism, I am sorry to admit that it is quite a fragile watch. Please note that it comes from the beginning of the brand (my watch was first sold in 2002) and a higher quality of assembly is expected. I...
Thanks, Radone.
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-07:53
Interesting picture of this familiar looking movement. Best, Nicolas
I love them 4, my friend.
By: amanico : April 20th, 2010-22:53
As previously said, my favourite would be a mix of these 4 beasts. Best, Nicolas
Thank you so much for putting the time into this post......
By: Miles151 : April 20th, 2010-09:55
It really makes very enjoyable reading and although based on your thoughts you have allowed the photographs to do the talking...... I happen to agree with you and think that it is the most beautiful chrono available and for me is much more appealing than ...
That's a terrific thing, Miles.
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-00:13
I was the first on the list in France, for the 5070P. I never got it, and was never called by my AD. So, I had to come back to my first option, the G. But I had, several times, the opportunity to see the P in the flesh, and I must admit that it is dangero...
=) ! [nt]
By: DRMW : April 21st, 2010-00:14
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Well my friend.....
By: MiniCooper : April 20th, 2010-11:46
first of all thank you for this great report...... Your ideas/views are very interesting.... The presentation was superb.... I agree with your strap choice... almost perfect.... You could also consider a grey one (similar to Oliver's).... However I do dis...
Well, PP
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-00:18
I still think that the PP 5070 shouldn't be compared to the Lange 1815 Chrono, as the movements are not the same ( dedicated for the Lange / adapted for the PP, Flyback for the Lange, not for the PP ). Same for the 5070 / Duometre ( Foudroyante, in this c...
MMmmm....
By: MiniCooper : April 21st, 2010-01:30
Then, we should find another Lange chrono to compare it... lol As far as the duometre, I was referring to the finishing of the case, the movement is a different concept and thus not comparable..... Having said that, these kind of posts are very interestin...
The finish of the Duometre case
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-07:51
Is brushed and polished, while the 5070 case is entirely polished. That's what I meant. As for the link about the Duometre and amvox II, I will have to do a search...When I have 5 minutes. Best! Nicolas
:) :)
By: MiniCooper : April 22nd, 2010-12:15
Thanks a lot for the compliment, Nomer
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-00:20
I could have spent more time studying the famous Lemania movement which was used by PP and VC... But I didn't say my last word... Best, Nicolas
What a contribution - In depth is an understatement.
By: emcquillan : April 20th, 2010-12:05
I think this detailed review and comparison with other chrono icons will be read and re-read many times over. Perhaps some of the comparisons may be imperfect as these icons have some different functions and expressions, but I'd certainly attempt to make ...
Agreed on the imperfect comparison
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-00:23
The only comparison, at the end, is between the VC and the PP, not with the 2 other Chronographs. But they both share a same thing, or should I say Philosophy: The Vision of fine Chronographs from their respective brands. In that sense, the comparison is ...
Nice review
By: gqmagic : April 20th, 2010-12:18
Nice comparison with the others, I prefer the Vacheron and the 5170 visually as like you say the "numbers aren't eaten by the subdials". Though I'm sure you and the other owners of the 5070 don't mind All of these examples are classics.
I understand your point.
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-00:26
We can't go wrong with each of these marvels. I must admit that I would have much preferred to not see the applied numbers " eaten " by the 2 counters, but I can live with that. Best, Nicolas
great comparo mate
By: Hororgasm : April 20th, 2010-13:44
love it, been sometime since i read a good comparison. chronos have always been my fav. thks mate for the extremely readable article and your views.
Wow!
By: ThomasM : April 20th, 2010-14:01
Who makes your shirts, amanico? Love those cuffs! Cheers, mate! TM
I only can say that...
By: E.J. : April 20th, 2010-15:13
Me quito el sombrero ante usted, Señor! It´s a in-depth review and not mine I only can say that I´ve read all the interesting post. It seems a lot becoming from me, because this watches are out of my dreams (money is the problem). I only could admire them...
They are all beautiful, Emilio.
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-07:46
We're at the Chronographs Champions League, here. Each of them can easily be a favourite, such as this awesome Datograph. Un dia, quizas? Best, Hermano. Nicolas
Thanks for sharing...
By: Goh : April 20th, 2010-20:54
…a wonderful review of these iconic chronos. You views are interesting and refreshing. I have learnt much about the 5070 without ever seeing the watch itself in the flesh. I also like the comparison with its ‘competitors’ as I have handled the Datograph, ...
It is one thing to see a watch alone,
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-08:01
It is much different when you compare them at the same moment and place. I think that it is the best way to fully understand and appreciate a watch, as it gives us some landmarks. With all the limits, of course, as we can only compare which is comparable....
Thanks, Nicolas.
By: masterspiece : April 20th, 2010-21:48
I thoroughly enjoyed the review and the comparisons. The 5070 is one of my favorite chronos and, like you, I wish it didn't cut into or "eat" into the applied numbers. Thanks again. Aloha, Bob
It would have been better without, indeed.
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-14:00
That the 2 counters don't eat the numbers. It is a big deal for some of us, while others ( and I'm among this last category ) can live with. The funny thing with the 5070 is that its imperfections are its ..strength, in a certain way. How many chronograph...
The perfect review, with comparisons to top it off...
By: patrick_y : April 20th, 2010-22:29
The Patek Philippe 5070 Chronograph is truly a benchmark among manual wind chronographs. It has a very well finished movement, a super-elegant and clean dial design, and the most gorgeous case among all chronographs (this is my opinion). I especially appr...
Through this review, Patrick, I tried to
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-22:53
Speak about THE watch, give it Justice, when it is too often compared as an investment. What it is, that's more important than what it represents. I did some searches, here and there, and even if the 5070 is often mentionned, to my surprise, it has been r...
Nicolas...
By: Baron - Mr Red : April 21st, 2010-01:55
This has to be one of the best posts for a very long time. About a year ago, I was curious as to what reference was viewed as a "favourite" for the participators on this site. I think there were hundreds of votes for top 3. The questin was not about which...
Many interesting points in your answer, Joe.
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-23:22
" I'm really not at all sure what it is that makes the 5070 iconic. It just is ". That's the magic of this watch, or should I say of these 4 watches. Somtimes, indeed, feelings are more important than reason. Do we have to explain why we fell in love with...
btw, does anybody has the 5070J
By: Bruno.M1 : April 21st, 2010-02:13
this one is growing on me. And it is the only one I never saw irl. So some good pictures would be apreciated
Like you, Bruno, I searched for nice pics of the 5070 J
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-23:26
And I found nothing... I would like to, as the 5070 J amazed me a lot. The black dial, combined to the YG case, is stunningly attractive for a non colored gold guy like me. Best, Nicolas
I have à 5070J
By: macfever : April 26th, 2010-00:17
You are welcome to come and mine if you want Eric
Where are you located, Eric?
By: amanico : April 26th, 2010-00:22
If in France, we can easily organize a Photo Session... If in Belgium, then Bruno could easily do it. Thanks for your offer! Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2010-04-26 00:23:23
A brilliant read!
By: =RWK= : April 21st, 2010-03:41
Dear Nicolas, Many Thanks for sharing your new 5070 with us. She is beautiful! Both I and my 5296G salute you and your excellent taste. I have greatly enjoyed your insights and fine photography. I will have to come to Paris for a visit, just to see and pl...
Hello, Richard
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-00:00
It will be my pleasure to welcome you in Paris! We'll arrange a photo session with your stunning 5296. Best, and thanks for your nice comments, my friend. Best, Nicolas
another comprehensive and outstanding review...
By: FanFrancisco : April 21st, 2010-03:47
...Nico, really enjoyed reading this review, learnt somthing news (as always) from it and am appreicate for your attention in fine details along the side-by-side comparisons. i am still new in watch world, don't have much knowledge on chronograph, so far ...
You're too modest, Stefan
By: amanico : April 21st, 2010-14:14
With this kind of beauties, you will see how it is easy to learn fast... Take your time, learn discover, and enjoy! That is the most exciting part, in watches. Best, my friend. Nicolas
Outstanding job !
By: DrStrong : April 21st, 2010-03:49
and great writ up my friend ! Cheers Jeff
Simply remarkable
By: PoyFR : April 21st, 2010-06:28
To being able to astatically compare those chronographs is a feast to the eyes. Of course apart from the PP and the Vacheron, they do not all fall in the same category, but to being able to see them together and having your point of views will surely help...
I know your preference, POY.
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-02:12
And as you perfectly said it, everyone will have a great champion to defend, among these 4 References. No winner nor looser, here. It was only fun and pleasure to prepare and to post this topic, my friend. There is place for objectivity, and to be honest,...
Excellent review, Nicolas
By: watchme : April 21st, 2010-09:02
I, too, wouldn't have placed the DuoMeter next to the 5070, but it sure does reveal how far JLC has come in dial design and movement finishing, and I know that more will come in the future as JLC openly competes with those it also supplies (whereas it did...
I only did it, Dean
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-02:17
Because these 4 Chronos are claimed by their respective brands to belong to the category of fine Chronos. And I believe this is a fact that they all 4 belong to this category. BUT on all points, aesthetical or mechanical, there is no neat winner, IMO. I a...
Great comparative review...
By: efftee : April 21st, 2010-11:25
...of the 5070 and its 'peers', Nico. I too agree with you on metal not being a concern with the 5070 (like the 5970) and personally prefer the G too.
My pleasure, efftee.
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-02:19
It will really depend on your own preference: Understated or more contrasted...Here, no winner nor looser, IMO. Best, Nicolas
Thanks a lot Nicolas for this excellent article.
By: foversta : April 21st, 2010-13:45
I really appreciated the games between these high-end chronographs. We are on top of the pyramid with these watches. Funny thing to consider that the Patek, Breguet, VC and we can add the Dubuis share the same caliber but they are very different chronogra...
Same motor, different " carrosserie ", indeed.
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-02:36
And a different expression in fine Chronos, at the end, with each of one having its own personality. Will have to see the Breguet, as this is the one I know the less. Best, my friend. Nicolas
PP 5070: What a review & comparison
By: hans_jorgen_1968 : April 21st, 2010-13:55
Dear Nicolas What a great in-depth review & comparison of some true 4 masterpieces into the world of finer chronographs I agree with many of your thoughts, but would like to add 2 comments: -I really like the "wide" case on the 5070. Reminds me a bit on t...
I wish you get one, my friend.
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-10:55
Any of them will make you happy, certainly. Best, and thanks for your friendly words. Nicolas
Was a great pleasure to read
By: hans_jorgen_1968 : April 23rd, 2010-05:21
... But chronographs has for me been a "no go" area. To crowded watch, to much "non usable information". A plain 2-3-4 hand watch with maybe a date has been what i have been aiming at. These last Month has for me been an eye opener towards chronographs, a...
Prize winning Nico!
By: ArthurSG : April 21st, 2010-20:13
Where possible, I look forward to your detailed side-by-side of the 5070 and the 5170 if you are planning one. Fantastic article! COngrats my friend!
Not planning to get a 5170, Arthur
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-10:58
Maybe another PP Chrono, but an automatic one...Maybe. Best, and thanks a lot for your nice words. Nicolas
Nicolas, my goodness, what a review!
By: CaliforniaJed : April 21st, 2010-21:54
Yes, they are your opinions, but they are held in the highest regard by so many here, including me. Thanks so much for sharing them, and for sharing all of those photographs. Much food for thought there. Best, Jed
Nicolas, my sincere congratulations on a marvellous thread
By: Topcat30093 : April 22nd, 2010-00:58
It was well worth the wait and though I don't pretend to understand everything that was discussed and even able to pronounce some of the technics. I have marvelled at the photos and the stunning craftmanship and detail of each of the Chronographs mentione...
Be sure that I enjoy it a lot, Top Cat.
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-13:54
The only thing I regret with it is that when I wear it, people say " Aaah;, this is the famous PP Chrono " when they should say the same about the 3 others... But hey, that must be the " rancon de la gloire "... Best, Nicolas
Hi, Jed...
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-13:51
This is only my opinion, my friend. To me, it is difficult to glorify the 5070, or to bash it. It is as worth as the 3 others, no less, no more. They all are very worthy on their respective ground. That was the purpose of my post. Humbly. Best, my friend,...
Hey bijo
By: Asimut : April 22nd, 2010-10:43
Even I enjoyed this, and I don't even like chronos! Very well done! Asi
Are you talking to me?
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-10:54
Wow, that's a compliment, my friend. Best, Asi ( Sit Down ). Nicolas
What a beautiful read it has been..
By: moc : April 22nd, 2010-13:58
I had the pleasure to "play"with your chronos.I must say your post ,especially the comparisons part,was so clear and beautifully organized. Well done Nico.Your passion is Inspiring my friend. Of course I am new in the game and still struggle to "get" the ...
Does Passion need a reason?
By: moc : April 22nd, 2010-14:12
Absolutely not my friend,You choose your girlfriend sometimes against what your mind and reason tells you ,,,,,,and you passionately love her. I am just a disciple trying to dissect and find a reason to everything still.So pardon my pragmatic wiew,what mo...
Sorry to say it here,but
By: lutz : April 22nd, 2010-14:10
for me Lange and JLC are so much nicer.The 5070 totally lacks elegance,while Lange and JLC accoplished the task to make a chono that looks elegant too. I know this site almost seems to be a "5070 worship site " ,therefore I am prepared for Your critizism,...
No need to be sorry, Lutz.
By: amanico : April 22nd, 2010-23:58
It is always goood to hear some different sounds, sometimes. If not, it would be boring! I will certainly not criticize you, my friend. I don't think that the 5070 " kills " all the other Chronographs ", by far. But it is a matter of taste, some will love...
Enjoyable read !
By: Spiff : April 23rd, 2010-13:42
Once again, you've come up with a magnificient post ! Even if i don't share all your views on this watch (as if it matters ;-) ), many thanks for this excellent review of an iconic watch from PP. The cherry on the cake, excellence of your article has gene...
The interest of giving my own point of view
By: amanico : April 23rd, 2010-14:17
Was to create some interesting debate on the fine manual chrono movements, Spiff, certainly not that everyone agrees with my personal, hance partial analyzis, even if I tried to argue it the best I could. And I think we got an interesting discussion. The ...
Outstanding report Nicolas......
By: TonyR : April 23rd, 2010-20:20
Thanks for taking the time to post this. My favorite of the bunch is the Datograph, followed by the 5070, VC Malte Chrono, then your favorite the JLC. Good thing they make chocolate and vanilla! Tony
Agree, Tony.
By: amanico : April 23rd, 2010-22:43
What matters is that we're mad about our favourite, whatever is OUR favourite. Passion is all! Thanks for your answer. Best, Nicolas.
Excellent review, great watches
By: E.S : April 23rd, 2010-22:09
Nico, what a collection you have, Is AP and RM 11 comparable high end chronograph? If you have to choose among them, which one is your most favorite, : ))))))) just curious, seems you like the duometre more, thanks again Eddy
Thanks a lot, Eddy.
By: amanico : April 23rd, 2010-22:48
Which AP are you referring to? If it is a ROO, no, I don't see them as my favourites, and can't see them featuring here, as to me, only a manual movement can compete with these " 4 aces ". Which leads us to the RM 011. Again, I don't count it among the pr...
Indeed.
By: dr.kol : February 18th, 2017-13:26
It's great to see it again on the front page and I need to read this once more very carefully. A fantastic review. Best, Kari
Good call dear Bill good call!!
By: Ares501 - Mr Green : February 18th, 2017-15:20
Still remember that cult post...7 years already...my gosh.... So many people left and some many arrived some stayed for good Cheers D
Has it been that long ago?
By: TdotBean : February 18th, 2017-18:40
Nah. The date is wrong is only 20 months ago. 2 years max. (I refuse to believe that we are getting older)
You made my Saturday afternoon Nico.
By: Alex83 : February 18th, 2017-16:40
Thanks for this extremely well presented and thoughtful review of a cult watch and contenders. Really great topic, very interesting to the community as the number of views reflect (41k at the time of my post!!). Keep them coming! Alex
Well, You nailed it!
By: Alex83 : February 19th, 2017-05:57
I own the 5070 and the Dato and it would be impossible for me to choose one of them over the other, they just complement each other! The 5070 is more intellectual and classic, the Dato is IMO more sexy and I like to dress it down with colorful straps as y...
I missed the chance with the MB...
By: Alex83 : February 19th, 2017-14:55
... Had it in my hands at MB Zurich, didn't pull the trigger, I might regret...this is what happens when you feel guilty about the (too) many watches you have! But life turns around, I will probably end up owing it, or another iteration, honestly MB being...
One of the best postings overall
By: agyzace : February 19th, 2017-01:17
and a testament to your style, dear Nicolas Of all the options, tue salmon VC is my clear favourite, but as you said, everyone has his own truth and preferences. Thanks again for a marvelous posting, Alex
W agree on too many issues!
By: Baron - Mr Red : February 19th, 2017-02:43
Though would say when it comes to 5070s, "there can be only one" https://m.
Great article Nicolas
By: Mark in Paris : February 19th, 2017-04:04
Every post with a 5070, 5110 or 5970 are great ones but this was very interesting reading your thoughts about it. I knew that article but wasn't on PuristSPro at the time it was posted I think. So I post now! This reference is a little legend on its own. ...
Great post Nico
By: beejo : February 19th, 2017-06:16
I have to wait for sometime before hunting a P,But it\'s worth the wait. Best, Ahmed
Outstanding review and comparisons dear Nicolas! Another...
By: Subexplorer : February 19th, 2017-10:32
... Antological work from your plume... And camera! Awesome photography to illustrate your words! Of course all lovely and top timepieces! I have an special fondness for the PP, but any of them could make a happy man of me! The salmon dial against the whi...
Threads like this one got me into watches
By: brandon1 : February 19th, 2017-15:39
Thanks Nico for the amazing article and Bill for the bump. A wonderful discussion! Reminds me of my early days staying up all night pouring over every word of this and many other threads. Have a good week everyone! Cheers, Brandon
great writeup
By: Ryan5446 : February 20th, 2017-05:28
it is a stunning watch. One of my favourites.
What an article!
By: Arie - Mr Orange : February 22nd, 2017-07:16
Very nice, impressive and informative read!! Now let me firstly state that the 5070 is a beautiful watch, maybe an icon even. Personally I would love to own the YG with black dial because I feel the yellow gold makes it a bit more special in this period o...
It certainly doesn't!
By: Arie - Mr Orange : February 25th, 2017-15:09
(thank god for people with a sense of humor) ps Are you going to Zagreb as well?
:-(
By: Arie - Mr Orange : February 25th, 2017-15:15
All the best sorting that out! I\'ll try to make it to Paris this summer when padj comes over (if I\'m welcome of course and all works out)
Re 5070 pp
By: time4fun : March 19th, 2017-13:32
Fantastic i have read it many times than enjoy looking at my 5070r
The legend that is the 5070 ...
By: Cpt Scarlet : December 22nd, 2020-10:50
The 5070 was a big departure for Patek Philippe in design terms and especially the case size. My opinion is that it is both an important watch in the history of Patek Philippe and a beautiful chronograph. All the versions have a unique character but I dec...
+1 👍
By: holdemchamp1225 : December 22nd, 2020-11:08
Thank you.
By: Rick.On.Watches : December 22nd, 2020-15:47
I always enjoy reading a detailed post that makes me think deeper, see different points of view, and research further. I’m certain this was a tremendous undertaking, so a huge thank you from a passionate collector who learned a lot reading your post.
Thanks for this detailed review Nico and to the mods for bumping it!
By: Fastwong : December 22nd, 2020-17:31
I hadn't seen this before but it was a really great read, the post and all the comments are just as interesting now as they were 10 years ago. Amazing really how not only the watches but the content that follows them are both equally timeless unlike, say,...