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Well, I’ve owned one for 15 years
Apr 13, 2018,15:15 PM
Nothing ever goes wrong with it. Just ordinary maintenance and consumables. The leather still looks new and is of finer quality than my “new” Porsche. The stitching is still perfect. There is no fading or degradation to any of the interior parts. Frankly, the whole package reeks of quality. The Monroe shocks were not great but so what. It’s not a Porsche part and those are easily changed (as mine were about 10 years ago).
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When You're a Disappointed Patek Fan After Basel
By: Miles_151 : April 5th, 2018-04:49
After yet another disappointment for me this year with the new releases I have had time to reflect. I have known for a while that there was a chance that a Salmon dial 5270 was on its way. I have had many many emails and messages regarding the launch of t...
Fully with you, 5970 is hard to beat and
By: crown comfort : April 5th, 2018-05:19
the not so perfect symmetry and the two port holes on the 5270 are less than ideal. Re your comments on Patek: I also agree. I do understand that they have a business to run and need to make the most out of it, but certain behaviours are going to be count...
i agree
By: alexxelor : April 5th, 2018-05:14
theare are no ideas . patek with 5970 e 5070 has arrived at the top . great disappointement for 40th collection , the 5711P ( few pieces only for boutique ) already existed and it was perfect . today only bad copies .
Hey Miles......
By: Baron - Mr Red : April 5th, 2018-05:51
Your post reminded me of a time when i was in my late-20s. I had some money and it was burning a hole in my pocket. I went along to a Porsche dealership and had a test drive in a 911. It was the 993 version. The test drive was just incredible. The road ho...
The thing is, Miles
By: Baron - Mr Red : April 5th, 2018-06:21
....you have been collecting Patek for decades. You come at the issue from a position that few on this forum can empathise with....decades of experience and knowledge.
On 5370....
By: Baron - Mr Red : April 5th, 2018-07:04
....yes, the finishing does seem of a higher standard to the 5170......yes... On 5131.....i can't tell you as mine doesn't arrive until next week!!!
5370P vs 5170P
By: Gary G : April 5th, 2018-08:03
I am lucky to have both and to my eye the 5370 finishing is visibly superior... Best, Gary
No doubt
By: Langeholic : April 6th, 2018-16:34
can’t compare the 5370 to 5170, hold them side by side and all will be explained!
Sorry but you are sorely mistaken.
By: rcg412 : April 13th, 2018-13:22
The 993 was cobbled together and not a great seller. They skimped out on a lot of parts.... from door switches to the terrible Monroe shocks. Porsche made a Hail Mary pass with the boxster at that time and it made out. The only similarity to a 993 and a 5...
Well, I’ve owned one for 15 years
By: descartes1 : April 13th, 2018-15:15
Nothing ever goes wrong with it. Just ordinary maintenance and consumables. The leather still looks new and is of finer quality than my “new” Porsche. The stitching is still perfect. There is no fading or degradation to any of the interior parts. Frankly,...
Drove my 993 turbo home wearing my 5970P tonight...
By: KSP : August 30th, 2018-21:21
Seems like 993's are a popular choice here. I personally prefer the 5970 over the 5270 but appreciate both pieces. It reminds of when Porsche went from the 993 to 996, a lot of purists didn't like the water cooled 996 engine and styling then Porsche came ...
Nice car!
By: KSP : August 31st, 2018-12:47
Here is mine.. ...
Bravo Joe, i agree with you but if i may add...
By: Fricks : April 13th, 2018-13:21
... Patek had to adapt when they started developing their own movement. Thats when they went on the spiral of producing more and more... and much more. When you go down that road, you tend to loose part of your soul along the way. They try to stay true to...
The times are mad not Patek
By: COUNT DE MONET : April 5th, 2018-06:43
The 5970 P has had its appeal also as an investment piece, this is how I see this 5970P. It is also undeniably beautiful, in any version and any metal. The 5270 is by far technically more advanced than the 5970, as it is with the 5170 c and the 5070: but ...
You are not alone and will tell you this....
By: thomaspp : April 5th, 2018-07:17
Lemania-era chronographs and PCCs will not be beat and 5170 and 5270 have been quite negatively received if one believes secondary market prices are an indication of demand. I firmly believe Lemani-Pateks are some of the best watches this great company ha...
The 5270p will increase
By: fomar : April 5th, 2018-08:55
the interest and demand for the Salmon 5970. 5970 is just a perfect watch. You have a Gem ! Would be happy to own it 😊
I have always been a fan of 5970...
By: CL : April 5th, 2018-10:01
and I had it 3 times before and every single time we part ways amicably Why? I LOVE the look of 5970G because of the steel gray dial but it's hard for me to like the movement. The size of 5970 is also damn perfect. Overall, 5270 is a better watch technica...
Whilst I would like to thank you for your reply.
By: Miles_151 : April 5th, 2018-10:15
“Bragging” rights had absolutely nothing to do with why I bought my watch. The moment I saw it I just knew I had to have it. The feeling inside it gave me was like nothing I’d ever experienced before with all the Watches I’d seen and owned. The fact that ...
'Bragging rights'...
By: CL : April 5th, 2018-10:28
Bragging Rights is not meant as a negative wording. We all buy something special, simply because of that , not that we will actually brag about it. The idea to own something unique is in all of us. I don't think it is wrong. When we own any Patek , we als...
I agree with you on the 40th Nautilus, Miles, but not on the 5270P.
By: cayenne1200 : April 5th, 2018-10:46
For me, 5970 and 5270 cannot really be compared. Two totally different watches. The new movement is giving the 5270 a completely new design by bringing more space to the top area of the dial. It’s not as traditional as the 5970 and gets a moderne touch by...
5 Arabic
By: watch-er : April 5th, 2018-11:21
numerals just at the top do not work for me. Needs something all around the dial for balance. This dial is too top heavy and awkward. The color of the numerals and hands appears a dull dark color to me. The 5970 from a purely atheistic point is considerab...
I agree pretty much.
By: dr.kol : April 5th, 2018-12:47
The anniversary Nautilus was a big shock to me and I did not take either even those were offered to me. Also the recent price increase of 5711 & 5712 with 20% was not something I could appreciate. There are some other issues which do not make me very happ...
We seem to feel the same.
By: dr.kol : April 6th, 2018-07:41
Things like a bracelet in 5131P make me very upset. If you figure out the pricing, you will notice that the "value" of the bracelet is 40-45K. And it has platinum worth of max. 3k. I feel that we are nowadays heavily milked even the old wisdom is "don't k...
I was offered an unique watch
By: dr.kol : April 6th, 2018-08:16
but with platinum bracelet. I was very happy to get that offer and said "yes" to that and refused my 5131P which already arrived the Salon. The simple reason was that I can't afford putting aside two platinum bracelets and buy straps with deployment buckl...
Actually there are two.
By: dr.kol : April 6th, 2018-09:27
The other one I'll get in the summer and the other one in the end of the year or next year. The second one is with bracelet and it is more "special". I have pictures made by PP but I have promised to keep them P&C. I'll go to Geneva on 18th and I'll ask w...
salmons
By: keks : April 5th, 2018-14:30
made me laugh to read of a dealer looking to talk you into selling yours on the cheap... can see it taking place in front of me in my mind. Some very valid and interesting points you raise and in a blurb below I will try to summarize my take.... hope not ...
Well said!
By: Costa (aka Connie) : April 5th, 2018-20:02
As part of the Patek proletariat I agree. I own a lowly 5270R. Although it is not highly collectible and is criticized a lot, it’s an awesome watch to wear. ...
And what a mighty fine point it is may I say.
By: Miles_151 : April 8th, 2018-03:54
My post was not a this is better than that in any way shape or form. I was simply trying to reply to many questions I had been asked. If it came over any other way then I apologise and not the intention. You are right very different Watches both great but...
Thank you for your response.
By: Miles_151 : April 5th, 2018-23:40
I have just tried to be as honest as I can in replying to lots of questions which I felt deserved reply’s. I make no apology though for how Patek’s recent marketing and sales strategy has made me feel. Rightly or wrongly they have made decisions that I ju...
I thought I made my opinion and thoughts clear in my post.
By: Miles_151 : April 6th, 2018-11:44
However I’m sorry you didn’t get my point. And am however sorry to have bored you with post after post. . I take offence at the inference that I somehow am trying to create some false market. You are entitled to your opinion and thoughts and I thank you f...
No inference about creating a “false market”
By: tahoeblue : April 6th, 2018-19:17
And I don’t think you have any intent to sell your watch. The beauty of your 5970G salmon stands alone and could be celebrated as such. I appreciate your polite responses to my posts. I do love your watch, and have great respect for you as a collector, ev...
Ditto!!!
By: jonrus : April 6th, 2018-12:47
There’s more than one special dial watch made in London. This 5970G salmon has been discussed more than any. This time, utilizing the 5270P as another chance to be shown.
Tahoe Blue
By: Mostel : April 7th, 2018-16:54
This is the type of comment that irks me 'to death', and I mean nothing personal toward you at all by the following: You say Patek 'does Miles a great favor...' UGH. NO, Miles does Patek a great favor buying that watch. Your comment captures the essence o...
Thank you for an interesting perspective Miles, real food for thought 🧐
By: Langeholic : April 6th, 2018-02:44
I perhaps represent the new generation of collector, so I don’t have the same emotional affinity with the 5970 as many more longstanding collectors may do. However I see the appeal, it’s a handsome, symmetrical and beautifully finished timepiece, which do...
My word. Thank you so much for a very well thought out reply.
By: Miles_151 : April 6th, 2018-03:19
I agree with your point on the movement of these Watches. I am a little ashamed though to admit that I have always loved the look of the front of a watch so dial, bezel, case, and lugs and always let my eyes make all my decisions for me. I am guilty of no...
Having had the conversation with Joe
By: Miles_151 : April 6th, 2018-04:27
It is very true that I cut my teeth on Vintage Rolex. This was my world for 15 years. Vintage Rolex guys were all about the dial case and lugs. Even the tiniest detail on a dial made all the difference. We would debate and scrutinise for days and weeks de...
Great comments and great conversation.
By: Costa (aka Connie) : April 6th, 2018-05:28
This is why the Purist community is the best in the Internet. Mutual respect for all opinions. Have a good weekend gentlemen. ...
Totally makes sense Miles, I see your perspective now.....
By: Langeholic : April 6th, 2018-16:45
My journey began with ALS and Patek as I was drawn to complications first and foremost. Aesthetics are important to me, but a sublime movement is equally important. As I am a fairly young collector, I have never know haute horology timepieces to be reason...
Thank you my friend.
By: Miles_151 : April 6th, 2018-11:34
Beautifully put. I agree with you in everything you say. Sad to see. But as the old saying goes “nothing lasts forever”. Have a great weekend I’m just jumping on a plane for some sun. M.
IMHO...
By: mustafadurrani : April 6th, 2018-13:54
I honestly feel the 5270 is a beautiful evolution of the 5970, a cleaner dial and configuration. Patek, IMO, has tried hard at this line, which is possibly the flagship model of the brand. I do, however, strongly agree that the 40th anniversary of the Nau...
I was fortunate enough to hokd the 5270P at Baselworld
By: Patekphilippecollector : April 6th, 2018-20:07
And thought whilst it's a great watch it's not for me. PP is a commercial entity at the end of the day and needs to keep its BROADER customer base happy...Russell pretty much sums it up....They will never please everyone. We all know the 5270 was soft pri...
That dealer wants to steal your 5970 and...
By: Mostel : April 7th, 2018-13:58
then rob the next buyer. No doubt, the 5970 is vastly more valuable and collectible than the 5270. Patek began diluting its cache when it started stamping its own approval on its movements... we may have forgotten that controversy... it was a big move ver...
Love this discussion
By: stabilizer : April 7th, 2018-15:05
One thing I’m still wondering though is what would you as some of the most hardcore collectors have preferred to see in the 40th anniv Nautilus? I have been wondering this for some time and see it has been brought up here again, but I’ve never heard a cle...
5976
By: GreatPilot@me.com : April 13th, 2018-17:14
I own it and love it, the 44mm Natilus is unique and fully deserving of the 40th anniversary edition. The price of the 5976 was $23k less than the new regular production 40mm perpetual so the comments about making an anniversary edition for less doesn't m...
I prefer 5270 over 5970 but....
By: Fricks : April 13th, 2018-13:02
... i totally agree with all you said. Ok maybe you could have chosen a better pics of the 5270P to compare but nevermind. I share your thoughts
Great points raised and loved the discussion!
By: traineract : April 13th, 2018-23:30
I'm not a Patek expert but just chiming in on my two cents worth. The 5970 is beast in its own way. But just as you have made comparisons, some would go even further to compare them with the 3970. Are they better? Personally I feel each of these aforement...
A very well written & thoughtful piece
By: rb8888888 : August 30th, 2018-19:40
Miles, Thank you for you detailed and well thought out assessment. I agree with you regarding your 5970 with the salmon dial...it is a very special watch which you will enjoy for many, many years! But I do believe that your watch has become more valuable ...
Thank you Rick.
By: Miles_151 : August 31st, 2018-00:22
You opinion means a lot and it would be great to see you post more often. M.
Enjoyed re reading this thread a lot.
By: Conkers : August 31st, 2018-06:55
The 5970 salmon is fabulous Miles and I wish I could have the opportunity to have such a special version of this amazing watch.