Seiko Quality Dives Deep! A Review of Seiko’s Prospex Marine Master SBDX011.

Sep 06, 2010,12:09 PM
 



Summer was on the way and with a protracted stay in Sardinia on the agenda I wanted a watch that was both good on the beach, the bar, and of course, in the water. Not that I was going deep sea diving, but I wanted and needed something robust. I had seen the Seiko Prospex Marine Master SBDX011 watch before on Seiko and dive watch forums, and I also knew another Purist who owned one, but was keen to buy one and try it out. I had been impressed with the design and the use of materials even before buying, and the thought that the movement was an ‘almost’ Grand Seiko standard automatic made it even more appealing. Simply put: an original.



You will have to excuse some of the grubby pictures. This is the result of the watch actually been used for sailing, swimming, on the beach, and as some other Purists witnessed, I actually bashed the wash against a wall, and nothing! No dents, no scratches, the ceramic shroud did its job and protected the watch. It has been in salt water (admittedly not to the maximum depth!) and has been in continual use for 3 months.

I am fairly sure that Seiko does not recommend or even warrant the contents of this article. This is simply my own research, opinions, and use of the watch.



The watch is virtually indestructible, finished superbly, and original in design and concept. This is a ‘tool watch’; a working watch for very tough conditions, temperature variations, and 100 atmosphere bar pressure. There is no valve for the depth rating; the case resists pressure sufficiently without. It can dive a kilometre straight down. The only problem is that the watch is for professional divers and is (theoretically) only available in Japan! Why? Such a question is beyond me, as the watch represents some of the best value on the market today. And if you are into diving watches, then throw away some ‘also ran’ (that everyone else, including their pet has) like Panerai and Rolex, and get yourself a Seiko Prospex Marine Master!



At 48mm in diameter, it is a large watch and the extra mass to the watch comes from the ceramic shroud around the watch itself. The shroud has given the watch its ‘nickname’ on the web forums, and has become affectionately known as ‘Darth Tuna’. A side view of the watch and shroud make the name obvious!





[Separated at birth? ‘Darth Tuna’ (above) and ‘Darth Vader’ (below)]

The other use for shroud comes from protection around the watch itself. The design mantra behind the watch was to make sure that it could never harm the wetsuit and would fit over comfortably, and without impeding the movement of the hand. And this is where the design becomes subtle; the watch back is tapered so that the contact area with the wrist is minimal. The lugs are designed so that the watch will ‘sit up’ on the wrist making it wearable for a wrist of almost any size.



[The lugs are fitted under the case so the watch can fit on a wrist of almost any size]





[The benefits of the watch ‘sitting’ on top of the wrist: allowing full flexibility in the movement of the wrist]

The shroud being made of ceramic makes the watch almost indestructible; smack it against a solid object (not that I am recommending you do that) and the ceramic does not even notice the obstruction. Even if it did, you can easily replace the shroud by unscrewing the small allen key screws on either end of the shroud, lift it off, and replace. As easy as that!

Take the ceramic shroud off and the DLC stainless steel/titanium finishing is without fault. Given that the DLC titanium finishing is hidden by the ceramic shroud, Seiko are to be applauded for keeping the quality of the finishing throughout the watch. Any area of the watch that comes into contact with other surfaces (except the wrist) is ceramic (shroud and bezel) and hence keeps the watch scratch free and the black finish intact.





[The quality of the machining on the case and the finish of the DLC treatment is second to none]

In the manual that comes with the watch, Seiko recommend that the mono-directional bezel is moved from time to time. I found out why when swimming with the watch. The bezel is a very model of simplicity of form and function. Only one moving part: the bezel, with no barrings, only friction and the small steel spring that provides a uni-directional movement. The idea is if the bezel sticks, you can remove the shroud, flip the bezel from the case, wash with tap (sweet) water, dry, and replace. It works perfectly after cleaning. It is the very model of simplicity and function. Machined to precision so that the one part moves without lubrication, just the ceramic against the titanium with sufficient friction to ensure the bezel only moves when turned. The thin steel ring with the spring part provides the brake for the unidirectional movement.







[A small allen-key (not included with the watch) will unscrew the DLC screws and the ceramic shroud will simply lift from the watch case. Even the screws are exact and have a flawless DLC finish.]





[With and without ceramic shroud on the watch]









[Removing the shroud, the bezel can then be lifted, the mono-directional ring for the bezel, all parts can be cleaned, and re-assembled].

To borrow an ad slogan from a car brand: the lion goes from strength to strength. Seiko is now producing watches that are unique and original. You are not buying a Japanese interpretation of a Swiss or German watch, you are buying a Seiko, a Japanese craftsman made, originally designed and manufactured mechanical watch. The movement for the Marine Master is the 8L35; a first grade automatic movement (usually seen in the Grand Seiko line) that varies between 10 – 15 seconds a day (according to the manual). The 8L35 automatic with 26 Jewels and a 50 hour power reserve easily matches certified chronometer levels. The movements are made in Seiko’s in Shinshu atelier near the Japanese Alps and this is virtually a Grand Seiko movement in a dive watch.

The accuracy of the movement is reflected in the dial; its one of the things that I love about Seiko. The hands move from the bulky part (clearly visible in darkened conditions) to the exact point that indicates the exact minutes and hours. The subtleties do not stop there. The date window is in a different shade of silver to the hands. And the second hand is a different shade again from the hour and minute hands. The movement rotor itself is calibrated to be worn and for the watch to be in use. While the power reserve for the movement is 50 hours, it takes some time for the rotor to completely wind the main spring. It is a watch that is to be worn all the time, to be use, and in some of the more extreme conditions possible for a watch.

Unscrew the over-sized crown with the ‘S’ on it, and with two clicks out you set the hours and minutes. One click out and you set the date. Time setting is positive, disengages the second hand, and is therefore exact. Set the time to where you want it, push the crown in, and the time is set at that exact point. Given the time keeping abilities of the in-house 8L35 movement, and perpetual wear, the watch will not need the time set within the next month (at least).

Below the waves, the watch comes into its own. The luminosity of the hands and dial markers are clearly visible in dark or semi-dark conditions, the bezel is movable, and the all-black of the watch serves to only enhance the visibility of the time.









[Below the waves, the watch becomes an a highly visible dial of time]

The back case to the watch has a wave symbol and all details of the watch (including serial number). The watch is a mix of the different finishes, different black materials, and because of that, a unique look to the watch.



For the purpose, for the sailing (and taking the knocks), for swimming, for the abrasive nature of the beach, and for a watch to see the time at night, it does the job and more. As value for money, it is a world away, and other contenders in the dive watch space should be aware and wary of the Seiko Prospex Marine Master.

Andrew H This message has been edited by MTF on 2010-09-06 23:16:57 This message has been edited by AndrewD on 2010-09-08 18:23:15


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Seiko Quality Dives Deep! A Review of Seiko’s Prospex Marine Master SBDX011.

 
 By: 219 : September 6th, 2010-12:09
Summer was on the way and with a protracted stay in Sardinia on the agenda I wanted a watch that was both good on the beach, the bar, and of course, in the water. Not that I was going deep sea diving, but I wanted and needed something robust. I had seen t...

Great review...

 
 By: aboen : September 6th, 2010-13:56
I love that SBDX011 and your pix and review just sent me over the top, I must have one ....its going on my list of must have for the near future. Thanks for the great post. Drew

Thanks, Andrew, for the up-close and personal view . . .

 
 By: Dr No : September 6th, 2010-16:51
. . . of a watch that practically begs to be used in it's intended environment. A distant cousin, my '65 Seiko Sea Lion . . . . . . extends its regards . . . cordially, Art...

Fabulous looking cousin! It screams 1960's panache! Love it

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:21
and congratulations on owning a brilliant watch such as this. Love the style. Andrew H

Excellent review, Andrew.

 
 By: BDLJ : September 6th, 2010-17:24
Love those things... Not to mention the history and technology behind them. First use of ceramic coating, getting rid of the HRV, the vented/ribbed strap, the high-beat movement... I think the reason they're Japan only is the Movement. As it's GS based, I...

Could be, but Seiko have a stated intent to become more

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:33
international. There is now a dedicated atelier in Paris and dealerships are starting to appear in more specialized shops. There is hope! Thanks for reading, Andrew H

Great review of an eye-catching Seiko!

 
 By: dxboon : September 6th, 2010-18:52
I'm a huge Seiko fan, and your commentary on the "Darth Tuna" makes me think I'm not the only person in the fanclub! I think Seiko offers huge value across the breadth of their collection. Coupled with original designs like this one, and it makes me wonde...

Maybe we need...

 
 By: RJW : September 6th, 2010-19:13
a Seiko Roll Call to find out how many types are out there? Regards, Richard.

Your wish is my command!

 
 By: dxboon : September 7th, 2010-00:23
So it is written, so shall it be. Check out my post on HoMe! Great idea, Richard! Cheers, Daos

The roll call seems to have gone rather well! A lot of Purists

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:39
are Seiko fans, and rightly so. Andrew H

It does make you wonder doesnt it! Yes, they are great

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:38
value for money and have had more than a number of comments on how great the watch looks. But then, if everyone wanted one, would there be any left for us!? Thanks Andrew H

The Marine Master is a formidable watch

 
 By: mrsnak : September 6th, 2010-19:05
It's been on my short list for a while, but hard to find here in the US at good prices. People that get them don't tend to sell them later either. This absolutely is one the Seiko should be bringing here, but they don't, and instead force us to buy from J...

Great comments and all agreed. Just to make your life

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:43
that bit more difficult, I think there are versions of this watch (or one with the quartz movement in) that does not have the DLC treatment/and, or a white ceramic shroud. I can understand your friend, and while the Rolex Sub is a great watch, I somehow f...

Great review and...

 
 By: RJW : September 6th, 2010-19:14
even better live photos. Thanks very much and congratulations. Regards, Richard.

Now that's a great review!

 
 By: Cookies : September 6th, 2010-22:02
I haven't seen this in Singapore yet.Where did u get yours?

Mine did come from Japan. As mentioned, at the current time

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:51
for reasons that I cannot quite understand, the watch is only available in Japan. It could be for reasons of after-sales service, but with Seiko's push for more international presence at the higher end, I can only hope that the Prospex and Grand Seiko wat...

A less illustrious Seiko Dive Watch

 
 By: MTF : September 6th, 2010-23:12
Andrew, Thanks for the review for a rare-outside-Japan Seiko dive watch. I use a less illustrious Seiko Dive watch than yours as my holiday timepiece as it is light and cheap and...er....water-resistant. Only to 200m rating but I'm only paddling in the ki...

Interesting photo! I found the rubber strap softened up with

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:57
usage, and now am used to the feel of it on the wrist. Yes, I will admit that the Marine Master is a little excessive for the depth of water I am swimming in, but the all black finish, and avant-garde design are my main justification! Thanks Andrew H

Does the hair look 'balding' ? (nt)

 
 By: MTF : September 9th, 2010-19:32

Great review. Thank you.

 
 By: VMM : September 7th, 2010-00:57
Nice pics. Vte

Many thanks. nt.

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-07:58
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Thanks Andrew

 
 By: cfdfire : September 7th, 2010-02:57
For this excellent review...Now to get my hands on one of these beauty's.Looks about the size of a tuna can and wears well,cheerz

Thanks - yes, a small tuna can, but it wears well on the wrist

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-08:00
because of the design of the lugs on the underside of he case. Good luck in your search. Andrew H

Great review, thanks Andrew.

 
 By: SJX : September 7th, 2010-03:11
I have yet to remove the shroud of mine. - SJX

And all will be revealed! Your watch was the inspiration to my

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-08:05
purchasing mine, so thanks SJX. Great choice! Andrew H

Thanks for the introduction to this Seiko

 
 By: respo : September 7th, 2010-06:01
That is a beast! A great review of a very interesting diver. respo

Bravo ...

 
 By: Chris Meisenzahl : September 7th, 2010-06:56
Bravo, great post and pics!!!

Master of all diving watches

 
 By: ling5hk : September 7th, 2010-14:56
I am not surprised Seiko will endorse your review. Thanks for the most helpful review. Regards Ling

Pleasure - was a great watch to review! nt.

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-08:14
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awesome (nt)

 
 By: ei8htohms : September 7th, 2010-18:38
Nt

Thanks John - appreciate you reading the review. Know

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-08:15
that you are a fan of Seiko. Andrew H

Great review...

 
 By: Goh : September 7th, 2010-20:37
I love these pictures, really awesome. Thanks for sharing, Goh

Thank you for the kind words Goh. nt.

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-08:16
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A belated good review. (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : September 8th, 2010-05:27
NT

A belated thanks! nt.

 
 By: 219 : September 9th, 2010-08:19
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Thank you so much for this review...

 
 By: craniotes : September 9th, 2010-21:01
I'm this close to pulling the trigger on this brute and your review and pics have pushed me even closer to the edge. I dunno about anyone else, but it seems to me that any serious dive watch collection needs at least one Seiko, and I'll be damned if this ...

That is a formidable collection of dive watches and I am

 
 By: 219 : September 10th, 2010-02:56
sure that this Seiko would not only feel right at home, but would be honoured to be in such company. It is a great watch and you would not regret the decision. Good luck and please let us know when the watch is on your wrist! Andrew H

It's on its way...

 
 By: craniotes : September 13th, 2010-08:18
The money has been sent and the beastie is currently winging its way towards its new home on my wrist. I'll be sure to post some pics when it arrives, though sadly they will have to be above water since I'm having the pool closed this week :-( Regards, Ad...

Many many congratulations - glad to know I

 
 By: 219 : September 13th, 2010-12:59
helped in some small way in the decision making process. Andrew H

Awesome review...

 
 By: jme78 : September 14th, 2010-08:09
I love that watch, it just makes me sad that I will not be able to get one since I live in America. If I could, I would buy that watch in a heartbeat.

I live in America...

 
 By: craniotes : September 14th, 2010-08:23
...and mine should be here tomorrow (yay!). There are several reputable sites that focus on JDM-only timepeices from which can purchase this watch, but if that isn't your cuppa, just keep your eyes peeled on the various sales forums and the 'bay -- they d...

BOOM!

 
 By: craniotes : September 16th, 2010-07:33
(Lousy pics, I know...) Arrived yesterday and I LOVE it! Regards, Adam PS - This watch was made for the Isofrane strape, IMO. At 24mm, it's just able to squeeze in the 22mm lugs on the Emperor, and it gives the watch some needed balance. Just be sure to o...

Adam - many congratulations on the acquisition - great

 
 By: 219 : September 22nd, 2010-06:16
to see and I do like the strap - does look good. Admittedly the Seiko strap is a little tough on the wrist, but I have become used to it, and the strap has softened somewhat, so I still have the original strap on the piece. Great buy and hope you continue...

I ordered one Sunday!!

 
 By: jme78 : September 28th, 2010-08:14
I can't wait until It shows up. I think my JLC's and GP's may take a backseat for a while.

Congratulations!

 
 By: craniotes : September 28th, 2010-15:29
I would be very surprised if you weren't totally blown away by the quality and sheer wrist presence of this diver. Indeed, it has rapidly become one of my favorite pieces, relegating divers from the likes of Rolex, Panerai, JLC, Kobold and even my beloved...

Adam, I have a question for you...

 
 By: jme78 : September 28th, 2010-18:38
How hard is it to change straps on this watch? I change straps on my JLC MCDC pretty regularly, is it as easy as that? I am guessing that the Seiko uses springbars and the bergeron tool I use on the JLC will work. Thanks in advance for any help you can gi...
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