a call goes out for John "ei8htohms" here!

Nov 29, 2010,10:24 AM
 

and some other watchmakers here who are not necessarily involved in the actual making of watches but are very close to the way they are serviced, which is their profession. Forgive me, John, if I didn't get this right - I am drinking my single malt, as usual - without ice!

To my wishes and understanding, functional finishing (or polishing) is the most important of all. Certainly in places that are impossible to see through a transparent back, such as the so-called keyless works, the ones connected to and also part of the winding stem, where often a lot of dirt gets swept under the carpet - some of it due to insufficient polishing of parts that receive the most mechanical wear.

As I understand it, in the good old days of pocket watches and even later, they usually had solid backs, which could only be opened by watchmakers or those who had the necessary tools, fingers and curiosity. There were marvels to behold: perlage, anglage, stamps and seals - even before taking the entire movement apart.

Many of the finely smoothed parts were properly (!) made to reduce wear, but also to show any traces of dirt or corrosion.

Some finer elements of finishing (perlage) also served as dirt traps to prevent any stuff, even bits of metal, from wandering into the more sensitive areas such as the escapement.

Very important was the signal to a future watchmaker that this is a piece with a certain standard and so should be treated accordingly - or even with great respect. If the company had continued to exist, then they could find a lot about their own product and the individuals that made it.

There was a time when every watch-repairer who had worked on a particular watch stamped his personal seal (required or not) into a space inside. Unfortunately, most of these seals can no longer be deciphered! And a lot of historical watches have been botched somewhere down the repair chain - sometimes more the customer's fault than the watchmaker's, who often stood under time-stress from his usually non-understanding client, who did not possess a backup watch or two.

So much for functional polishing, for aesthetic beauty - not necessarily a contradiction - I'll leave that to others.

Regards,
amerix
This message has been edited by amerix on 2010-11-29 10:28:47


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Do you think the polish is important to the watch movement?

 
 By: dolphin__ : November 28th, 2010-23:56
Do you think the polish is important to the watch movement? Yes or No?And let's share our reason ... For me,it is very important,for the beauty,rust-proof,and also dust-proof,etc. But,maybe little for the army watch... What's your opinion? Regards, Jeff

A movement should be appropriately finished.

 
 By: mkvc : November 29th, 2010-08:48
For some watches, that means a very high level of finishing and decoration, for others it requires only good functional finishing.

a call goes out for John "ei8htohms" here!

 
 By: amerix : November 29th, 2010-10:24
and some other watchmakers here who are not necessarily involved in the actual making of watches but are very close to the way they are serviced, which is their profession. Forgive me, John, if I didn't get this right - I am drinking my single malt, as us... 

thanks amerix for your post

 
 By: playtime : November 29th, 2010-11:34

Functional Polishing...

 
 By: BDLJ : November 29th, 2010-15:15

I think you pretty well covered it (but I'm gonna go on and on regardless...)

 
 By: ei8htohms : December 1st, 2010-04:55
Hi All, Functional finishing is of course the most important aspect for, er, functionality. I'd say most movements above "standard grade" have pretty reliable and consistent functional finishing, with a very few brands (Patek) going to additional lengths ... 

My nomination for the most important contribution of the year!

 
 By: amerix : December 1st, 2010-11:15
It should be framed and hung on the wall of every aspiring watchmaker - or watchbuyer. And, John, if you make it to Hamburg at this time of year, there is enough ice around to put into your personal choice of a single malt. With the greatest of pleasure, ... 

you're far too generous

 
 By: ei8htohms : December 1st, 2010-11:41
But if I get to Hamburg I'd be delighted to enjoy a dram with you irrespective of the presence or the absence of ice. _john

Thanks for the perspective ...

 
 By: AndrewD : December 2nd, 2010-15:19
Superb essay and very interesting points, John. It's a bit hard not to get somewhat cynical about finishing in these times of sapphire display backs. And it can be difficult for the average punter to know what processes are used behind the doors of the Ma... 

I think all watch movements...

 
 By: dxboon : November 29th, 2010-11:16
...benefit from polishing from a functional standpoint for the reasons you indicated in your post, but to what degree is probably debatable after a certain point (hopefully one of our more tech-savvy members will weigh-in). I also think watch movements sh... 

Hi Daos!

 
 By: amerix : November 29th, 2010-14:55
What the Habrings do - forgive me for not putting in the exponential 2 - is exactly what I mean. Lovely, lovely, lovely. With great functionality as well. In fact they might be all that I could ever want - with a modicum of sanity. Merry old, Amerix This ... 

"With a modicum of sanity." LOL!

 
 By: dxboon : November 29th, 2010-15:51
But it's the insanity that makes this passion interesting, yes? Oh, Amerix, there is much to love out there in the wide world of Independent watchmakers. I do love the Habrings, and their watches best, as they made entry into this intriguing world possibl... 

+2

 
 By: SethRL : November 29th, 2010-16:29

:-) Just loving your latest Habring2, Seth! [nt]

 
 By: dxboon : November 29th, 2010-19:12
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Prettyfication...

 
 By: BDLJ : November 30th, 2010-19:13
Daos, Take a look at some vintage Omega movements, particularly the chronometer 5xx movements. Aside from some machining marks and brushed finishes...there's not a lot of decoration to see. Given the performance of these calibres any further decoration is... 

All good, true comments.

 
 By: dxboon : November 30th, 2010-20:55