I think you pretty well covered it (but I'm gonna go on and on regardless...)

Dec 01, 2010,04:55 AM
 

Hi All,

Functional finishing is of course the most important aspect for, er, functionality. I'd say most movements above "standard grade" have pretty reliable and consistent functional finishing, with a very few brands (Patek) going to additional lengths to polishing the teeth of gears in the power train and that sort of thing. Does it genuinely provide a mechanical advantage that makes it worth the loss of consistency it introduces into the manufacturing process? I sure don't know, and given what I know of most brand's ability or willingness to study such things in depth, I rather doubt that they know with much certainty either. I imagine they do it as a nod to tradition and a demonstration of craft more than for any tangible improvement in performance.

The thing is, these are anachronistic devices and everyone knows it. The market pressure to make your watches last an additional fraction of a year on average before their first service is minimal, with a lot more evidence for the practicality of short term increases in sales through clever marketing. There are some companies that are quite serious about reliability and performance and these are generally the companies that take stock of the big picture and the long term reputation of the brand. But their R&D budgets are of course limited to some extent and how aggressively they approach the tribology of contrasting metal on metal friction with different surface finishes and whatnot is limited as well.

Historically, a very finely (decoratively) finished movement was a signal to the watchmaker: "This is a serious piece of horology, don't f*#& it up." The functional bits were exquisitely functionally and decoratively finished as were the bridges and screw heads, etc. and the fine level of finishing made it abundantly clear when someone that had no business being in that movement had mucked about for some reason or another. Marred screw slots and scratched bridges are painful to look at when it's clear that those components used to be works of art.

Since the near ubiquitous adoption of display backs AND the general lowered expectations for performance ("It's a mechanical watch! +10 seconds a day is just fine!"), one must view decorative finishing with some suspicion. There has been a significant amount of it in the past 15 or 20 years that is quite cynical in fact even if one can understand it from a less than completely impassioned CEO perspective. If it's gonna cost you two or three times as much money to produce a movement that is finely finished (and the actual difference in cost could be considerably more profound than that), sooner or later some folks will start thinking about which steps can be left off with the least negative impact on the customer perception of the finishing. It's not long before people are applying crude striping and anglage with CNC machines and putting something like blue paint on the heads of nickel plated screws.

My opinion is that the true loss of performance for these cynically produced pieces lies in the extent to which the cost-cutting mindset trickles down the entire production line, right down to the fellow (or lass) who should be removing the burrs from a bridge that he (or she) can see has been tarted up in the most superficial way. How much personal integrity and commitment to craft does it take for that person to say, "The folks making the decisions obviously don't give a s*&%, but I'm going do the best job I can and remove that pesky burr even though my supervisor is gonna gripe at me about my production numbers at the end of the month once again"? It's tiresome to feel like you're fighting against the very principles of your organization and it comes out in the quality of the work produced.

It becomes a bit philosophical at some point of course: If I can get the same (or better) visual appearance of a part with greater consistency at a lower cost by doing it with a machine OR I can continue to employ someone to do it by hand because that is the traditional way, which would I choose? And if I go the "by hand" route, can I upgrade the hand tools from pegwood sticks to impregnated polishing shafts on rotary tools, or is that cheating? Where is the line and who decides what is or is not the "right" way to do it?

In short, yes, functional finishing is important. Material choice is important. Design is important (both for sheer mechanical performance AND for serviceability if you want the watches to continue to perform well after a service or two). Process control is important. Refinement of all of the above through intelligent data collection and appropriate feedback is important. Integrity throughout all of the above is important. Is decorative finishing important? You decide. smile

_john

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Do you think the polish is important to the watch movement?

 
 By: dolphin__ : November 28th, 2010-23:56
Do you think the polish is important to the watch movement? Yes or No?And let's share our reason ... For me,it is very important,for the beauty,rust-proof,and also dust-proof,etc. But,maybe little for the army watch... What's your opinion? Regards, Jeff

A movement should be appropriately finished.

 
 By: mkvc : November 29th, 2010-08:48
For some watches, that means a very high level of finishing and decoration, for others it requires only good functional finishing.

a call goes out for John "ei8htohms" here!

 
 By: amerix : November 29th, 2010-10:24
and some other watchmakers here who are not necessarily involved in the actual making of watches but are very close to the way they are serviced, which is their profession. Forgive me, John, if I didn't get this right - I am drinking my single malt, as us... 

thanks amerix for your post

 
 By: playtime : November 29th, 2010-11:34

Functional Polishing...

 
 By: BDLJ : November 29th, 2010-15:15

I think you pretty well covered it (but I'm gonna go on and on regardless...)

 
 By: ei8htohms : December 1st, 2010-04:55
Hi All, Functional finishing is of course the most important aspect for, er, functionality. I'd say most movements above "standard grade" have pretty reliable and consistent functional finishing, with a very few brands (Patek) going to additional lengths ... 

My nomination for the most important contribution of the year!

 
 By: amerix : December 1st, 2010-11:15
It should be framed and hung on the wall of every aspiring watchmaker - or watchbuyer. And, John, if you make it to Hamburg at this time of year, there is enough ice around to put into your personal choice of a single malt. With the greatest of pleasure, ... 

you're far too generous

 
 By: ei8htohms : December 1st, 2010-11:41
But if I get to Hamburg I'd be delighted to enjoy a dram with you irrespective of the presence or the absence of ice. _john

Thanks for the perspective ...

 
 By: AndrewD : December 2nd, 2010-15:19
Superb essay and very interesting points, John. It's a bit hard not to get somewhat cynical about finishing in these times of sapphire display backs. And it can be difficult for the average punter to know what processes are used behind the doors of the Ma... 

I think all watch movements...

 
 By: dxboon : November 29th, 2010-11:16
...benefit from polishing from a functional standpoint for the reasons you indicated in your post, but to what degree is probably debatable after a certain point (hopefully one of our more tech-savvy members will weigh-in). I also think watch movements sh... 

Hi Daos!

 
 By: amerix : November 29th, 2010-14:55
What the Habrings do - forgive me for not putting in the exponential 2 - is exactly what I mean. Lovely, lovely, lovely. With great functionality as well. In fact they might be all that I could ever want - with a modicum of sanity. Merry old, Amerix This ... 

"With a modicum of sanity." LOL!

 
 By: dxboon : November 29th, 2010-15:51
But it's the insanity that makes this passion interesting, yes? Oh, Amerix, there is much to love out there in the wide world of Independent watchmakers. I do love the Habrings, and their watches best, as they made entry into this intriguing world possibl... 

+2

 
 By: SethRL : November 29th, 2010-16:29

:-) Just loving your latest Habring2, Seth! [nt]

 
 By: dxboon : November 29th, 2010-19:12
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Prettyfication...

 
 By: BDLJ : November 30th, 2010-19:13
Daos, Take a look at some vintage Omega movements, particularly the chronometer 5xx movements. Aside from some machining marks and brushed finishes...there's not a lot of decoration to see. Given the performance of these calibres any further decoration is... 

All good, true comments.

 
 By: dxboon : November 30th, 2010-20:55