This gets me thinking ... big time.

Apr 16, 2014,07:57 AM
 


A straightforward response from me must be long and winding so let me answer to your questions briefly one by one.


Have your 'tastes' changed over time? Or perhaps your 'predilections' have been honed from knowledge about what works for you.
My tastes have not completely although it would not be truthful if they stayed the same throughout. Style-wise, I still like clean-cut, symmetrical designs, not minimalistic but nothing fancy, not too plain but not too loud. I am quite a boring person in this regard. My buying criteria are pretty much defined by my OCD and tendency for perfectionism --a dynamic duo that promises a living hell in many areas of life, as you know.

Size-wise, I am changed by 25% if we can quantify it that way. Ten years ago and before that, I used to be aversive of larger watches. My preference was for watches in the range of 38-42 mm. But since my first Panerai in 2005 and the Seamaster Ploprof in 2009, my size preference has shifted to 40-44 mm. even for non-sports watches.


Are there strategies that you have used to open your eyes to new possibilities? For example, do you look at a new watch and mentally remove the brand from the dial?
Typically when I am not 100% sure about a watch, I ask myself if I will be sorry five or ten years from now if I don't buy it now when it is still in production. I don't force myself more than that to consider buying a watch. There are more watches in the world than I can buy anyway. If anything, I force myself to buy even fewer pieces by imposing my criteria of perfection. I saved a lot of money from not buying watches that check only five to seven out of ten imaginary boxes on my list.


Can you share any examples where you challenged your prejudices and had a good outcome?
I am completely obsessed with dial symmetry. But one day in maybe 2008, I allowed myself to buy the JLC Reverso Grande Sun Moon despite the moon position nearer to the lower right corner of the dial, as opposed to above six o'clock as in the original Reverso Sun Moon watch. I told myself that it was the closest I was going to get to owning the original Reverso Sun Moon. It was a "now or never" moment. I chose "now" and I still have that watch today. If I chose "never", well, I know today that I would regret that decision.

Another example is the Seamaster Ploprof with date window at 4:30. When this re-edition watch came out in 2009, I almost did not buy it because I hate how the date window on some watches is at a position other than three, six or nine o'clock. Again, a "now or never" moment. I chose "now" and it turned out that the sleek font and black background of the date wheel made the presence of the date window at 4:30 more bearable.


Prejudices, predilections or preferences, are they good for us? Or do they prevent us from enjoying everything that the horological world has to offer?
I must say they are good for as long as we are "aware" of them and still capable of reminding ourselves to think beyond this framework once in a while. I am not saying that we have to break the rules once every three years by buying a watch we don't really like. But, hey, if a watch feels more right than wrong, and we don't have to sell another watch we certainly love to pay for it, then why not? There is nothing to lose.


Thank you for starting this post. It forced me to recall a lot of moments in my life.

Ruckdee


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Horological prejudices

 
 By: AndrewD : April 14th, 2014-16:27
Are they good for us - perhaps you call them predilections or preferences - or do they prevent us from enjoying everything that the horological world has to offer? I only wear white metal; I would never own brand xxx; I never wear anything bigger that 40m... 

Never Say Never Again

 
 By: patrick_y : April 14th, 2014-17:02
I've learned that I should never say never. But I've also learned that what matters is that you'll like the watch for a long time. Buy something that you know will retain its classic looks. Not into buying fads or gimmicks anymore, no matter how enticing ... 

Conservative or ...

 
 By: AndrewD : April 15th, 2014-04:36
... boring. I can see a risk here, Patrick. While trying to be 'safe' and collect watches that retain their 'classic looks' you might well be barring yourself from a world of excitement. Although obviously with a hint of danger too if the world changes or... 

I'm having lots of fun...

 
 By: patrick_y : April 15th, 2014-12:35
Like for instance I love Panerais. But I realized the Panerai that I enjoyed the most wasn't the one that was the most "intense" but actually the most classic one. Basically, boiling down to the essence of a watch. I used to have rules too; larger Panerai... 

Great examples ...

 
 By: AndrewD : April 15th, 2014-15:35
... of challenging yourself and pushing the boundaries. These are the type of real life PuristS experiences I wanted to draw out in this thread, so thankyou! It will be interesting to revisit this topic in a few years and see how we have evolved, or what ... 

Have an open mind and challenging spirit?

 
 By: KIH : April 14th, 2014-17:43
I have been long thinking that I would never wear non-white metal watches. But I have been buying a few. Not bad, really. Maybe I am getting old, but as Patrick pointed out, "never say never". Another example is that I had firmly determined I would never ... 

I like that description...

 
 By: patrick_y : April 17th, 2014-14:46
"Hating without trying..." The perfect description for someone who dislikes something out of ignorance. Ken, you actually push my envelope, especially with many of the Japanese manufacturers.

Quite evident in Tributes :-p

 
 By: Echi : April 14th, 2014-19:31
Having said that, unlearning is a long hard road that not only applies to horology :-) Show something often enough backed by some zealous moderator plus a handful of credible fans and there's a good chance of softening a stance. Hell, I just saw a blnged ... 

The forum Catch 22

 
 By: AndrewD : April 15th, 2014-05:01
Hi Echi, Thanks for your comments. There is a risk that we on the Forum perpetuate certain preferences. "Gr oup think” can stifle dissent and move us towards group 'harmony' and prevents us from seeing all sides of the argument. Thankfully I think PuristS... 

How do we break down these barriers and open our eyes?

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : April 15th, 2014-01:16
I think that barrier are broken when something good comes up when Brand makes excellent watch One of latest examples that I can think of is zenith Type 20 many Purists that don't like big watches were very open minded and ready to changed their "firm" vie... 

Keeping an open mind and ...

 
 By: AndrewD : April 15th, 2014-05:06
... being able to recognise a quality timepiece when faced with it, even if it may not immediately be to our 'taste'. I also think that the level of respectful discourse that we carry on here on the PuristS forums allows this to happen. It is not with arr... 

Exactly!

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : April 15th, 2014-08:00
Most sincerely D

Change is good…sometimes.

 
 By: masterspiece : April 15th, 2014-19:28
I used to like the Jubilee bracelet. Didn't care for the King bracelet. But the two Rolexes I like, the stainless Daytona and Milgauss, comes only with the King bracelet. What was I thinking? Can you imagine a Jubilee on a stainless Daytona or Milgauss? Y... 

My prejudice was challenged...and..........

 
 By: Sandgroper : April 16th, 2014-02:16
I lost:) Really, my "prejudice" is mainly about the size, I have preferences yes, but no prejudices beside the size. My "philosophy" is and has always been, never buy a watch I wouldn't love to wear, no matter the brand, the metal etc. One criteria, so I ... 

Size and complications,

 
 By: drphileasfogg : April 16th, 2014-04:56
My prejudices: only 35-40 mm and no complications. All gone now, I have an old Rolex and last Saturday was trying some new models at my AD, the new datejust II at 41 mm looked best on my wrist compare to the classic 36 mm style. And I recently bought a Pa... 

This gets me thinking ... big time.

 
 By: Ruckdee : April 16th, 2014-07:57
A straightforward response from me must be long and winding so let me answer to your questions briefly one by one. Have your 'tastes' changed over time? Or perhaps your 'predilections' have been honed from knowledge about what works for you. My tastes hav... 

+1 with Patrick, you never know...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : April 16th, 2014-10:48
What matters is the overall coherence, harmony and the displays you hated somewhere can be beautifuly integrated somewhere else. This being said I don't have any of the prejudices. Except Quartz. There are brands I didn't like at all but I changed my mind... 

Agreed. It's all about the overall harmony.

 
 By: patrick_y : April 17th, 2014-14:56
You do have to look at it holistically. I have a lot of pet peeves. I used to have rules like, "no two-tone watches" until I saw the Patek Philippe 5102PR (Celestial in platinum and rose gold) with yellow gold stars and moon (tri color really). When I saw... 

I think the problem is the word 'challenge'

 
 By: Mostel : April 18th, 2014-15:14
After around a decade at this hobby, I don't feel that I have prejudices, per se... I do have repeated attraction to certain types of watches... I do have favorites... But what about a watch is challenging? Is it three bridges? is it a new variation on a ...