i'm with Cen and Nick on this one

Nov 30, 2007,04:28 AM
 

i love high quality watches and virtually did a deal with the devil to get my UN freak smile but i also love unusually dialled watches. innovation and 'different to normal' are important to me without worrying about brand name. price is also a very important factor.

most recent purchases UN freak, UN Ludwig perpetual, Meistersinger single hander, BRM chrono.

both the Meistersinger and BRM are more accurate over time than the Freak is, but i dont mind that as the freak is a concept piece with 3-5 minutes fast over 8 days not bothering me too much. however they are also more accurate than my Breitling avenger seawolf which is COSC, but can lose 2 minutes in 3-4 days. perhaps this just needs a service.

i was very surprised to hear that the complete movement wasnt tested for COSC, it sort of makes a mockery of the certificate. its as if the COSC dont really care what the actual watch accuracy is after the complication modules are added as long as the base movement passes.

loads of companies adjust their watches in several positions without having them certified which makes them equally as accurate.

the changes make no difference to me whatsoever. in fact i would prefer honesty such as 'made in germany', france, even singapore and hong kong as long as the watches are of high quality, unusual and affordable.

thats my 1p's worth

Graham


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Swiss-Made and COSC rules are changing

 
 By: MTF : November 29th, 2007-22:43
Forumners, I heard that: In future, the minimum value of Swiss-ness to qualify as Swiss Made will be 80% but that is easily covered by wages so that means that proportionately MORE of the components can be imported and "finished" or "assembled" in Switzer...  

One may matter; the other ismeaningless.

 
 By: mkvc : November 29th, 2007-22:56
The Swiss-made label has been a joke for a long time and apparently will continue to be a joke. A brand that relies on that label for a perception of quality is very unlikely to have the actual quality to interest a well-informed buyer. If the industry re... 

Testing movements VS watches; historical reasons for COSC

 
 By: SJX : November 30th, 2007-00:54
The COSC tests are conducted on movements, rather than watches ; there is no requirement that the movements have to be finished. Even with the change in COSC procedures, an unfinished movement with the complication module could be tested. I personally do ... 

One more thing...

 
 By: SJX : November 30th, 2007-01:06
As I wrote in my post in the Azimuth thread below, the requirement to test base movements fitted with modules will not affect COSC very much. Rolex, Omega and Breitling make up nearly 90% of the movements certified by COSC ( click here for numbers); Rolex... 

I see

 
 By: SJX : December 1st, 2007-17:59
I was under the impression that most Breitling and Omega chronos use the Valjoux 7750 now, especially since it is now available in the "tricompax" layout, and because the ETA2892-based modular chrono is such a small movement. - SJX

Speedmaster Reduced is modular

 
 By: ei8htohms : December 1st, 2007-18:47

The implications are deeper than at first sight.......

 
 By: MTF : November 30th, 2007-07:36
Suppose that whole assembled base + module or integrated movements can be tested. Suppose the most common currently outsourced chronometer movements become exclusive to the original manufacturer/group only.......er.....that would be Swatch Group keeping a... 

But that's not caused by COSC

 
 By: SJX : November 30th, 2007-07:47
That's because from '08 or '09 Swatch will only supply finished movements and not ebauches to non-Swatch group brands. Already many of the smaller brands are already being squeezed out; dials, hands and ETA movements are tough to get. It's not an issue wi... 

Not a cause but

 
 By: MTF : November 30th, 2007-08:55
SJX, I agree that COSC rule changes do not affect the number of COSC certifications per year much. Rolex, Omega and Breitling will account for most of those. But, I'm just repeating what the lucky (or foresighted) executives who have invested in making in... 

The 80% Swiss made rule was refused by the Swiss "parliament" as

 
 By: alex : November 30th, 2007-01:48
supposedly it was contrary to the free trade treaties between Switzerland and the EU

Sorry to disappoint..

 
 By: DonCorson : November 30th, 2007-11:27

Somebody bite my bullet :)

 
 By: cen@jkt : November 30th, 2007-03:11

No and no...

 
 By: nickd : November 30th, 2007-03:21
Most recent purchases: - antique pocketwatch, vintage, vintage, Nomos, new Seiko, vintage Seiko. The Nomos is as accurate as you could want, and the Seikos are more than accurate enough. Vintage, I don't care. Antique, I'm gob-smacked they're still as acc... 

Wow! Nick you are extremely Accurate! [nt]

 
 By: gurulikeu : November 30th, 2007-03:42
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One "Geneva Seal" brand

 
 By: MTF : November 30th, 2007-07:26
did precisely that in the beginning. Every watch was supplied with a "birth" certificate with passport size photo of the dial attached and watchmaker's signature. How did you remember that? MTF

Is the brand u're referring to Roger Dubuis? [nt]

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : November 30th, 2007-19:56
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 By: MTF : December 2nd, 2007-09:46

80% seems to be a common # to use

 
 By: AnthonyTsai : November 30th, 2007-07:10