I think we are indeed very close, Mostel...

Sep 27, 2014,09:10 AM
 

in our appreciation of the Apple watch.


Don't forget, us watch aficionados are the minority, even among watch buyers. This is the key here: younger people grew up with all kinds of electronics around them, being integral part of their lives. My godchild's for example consider it totally normal to having charge your smartphone daily, at least. They are not in the age (yet) to wear a watch. I am only guessing what they want (if they ever see the 'need' of a watch).

That is where the threat lies - those younger people have different experiences when it comes to wearables.

And then I think the following sentence of yours - which is a central part of your point - is a bit off:

"For myself, it doesn't matter what the battery operated watch can do--it's made in China, by factory workers who are woefully exploited.

What could be more opposite of what we admire, generally. The individual watchmaker. Not the faceless factory drone."

So how do you guess watches below 1000 (CHF, € or US$) are made? I think any romantic soul will be shocked to see the reality, which are assembly lines where workers ('watchmakers') pat together parts (most of them from China, even for watches at higher price brackets), with very little of those handicraft steps that we covet.

There is very little poesy (if at all) associated with those sub-1K watches, and if so, its mostly in the marketing material ;-)

And then, ask yourself: if you are a normal person (see my first paragraph ;-)), and after three years (let's take the expected life span of the Apple watch which is conveniently the recommended service period for a watch) your are asked to fork out roughly the same amount for a service or buy an Apple watch - don't you think many will get tempted?

Mostel, comparing the Apple watch with those watches we discuss here (normally) is a moot point, but at the entry level of the mechanical watch market things are different. And this is the comparison I made - its only silly if one overlooks this caveat.

In this context - I did not compare a picture of cloisonné enamelling to actual cloisonné enamelling - I just wanted to make the point that Apple - more than any wearable maker before - understood what watches are and what attracts people to watches (specifically), and transversed these into the Apple watch, and quite well so.

And the industry players in this price range are nervous to say the least (looking at the numerous interview where they state that everything is fine... ;-)) - the level of execution plus functionality plus incorporation of details at the proposed price - that will indeed be a real challenges for this price range

Swatch Group previously said that smart watches / wearables will never thrive. After rumours came closer that Apple would actually be working on such a device their opinion changed suddenly... 

Executives of brands in higher price range see such devices as extension or complement to their offerings.

And here I guess we all agree: For the high end watches it is a nice addition, no threat, just something 'wearable' if you re travelling, exercising etc. For the low-priced mechanical and electronic Swiss watch - a real challenge and a wake-up call (most likely), particularity if the gadget industry gets some of the still existing problems (battery time) solved.

Best,
Magnus

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The WATCH - confessions of an analogueiste...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 15th, 2014-09:16
Well, there it finally is - Apple's WATCH , the highly anticipated and - since its launch last Tuesday - likewise highly discussed, dismissed, cherished smart watch: So there we are! As a watch community we cannot go past this without noting, appreciatin...  

Magnificent and thorough survey dear Magnus

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : September 15th, 2014-11:03
My only hope (and fear) is that we are not judging beginning of second quartz crisis which in 30 or so years maybe known as touch crisis Yours D

The quartz crisis gave us the haute horlogerie we enjoy now, ...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 15th, 2014-23:42
thus I won't fear a 'touch-crisis'. Best, Magnus

Apple Watch

 
 By: sueno213 : September 25th, 2014-14:02
I will buy this watch, will it become my daily beater? I doubt it. But it will definately be in the rotation.

Apple Watch

 
 By: sueno213 : November 9th, 2015-08:59
Didn't buy one, but a friend let me use one for a week, I think I'll pass

Outstanding article ...

 
 By: nilomis : September 15th, 2014-11:13
Magnus, Your crystal clear logic and your flawless approach is something to be read and read again, by all that are on this hobby and, more, for the ones that are on the watch manufacture. I don't dare to foresee if the Apple Watch will be a game change o... 

The devil is in the details, ...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 15th, 2014-23:47
and this is exactly where Apple always made a difference - and often created entirely new markets. I did not touch the life cycle issue but of course I think your are spot on. This is another aspect where traditional watchmaking always will have an edge. ... 

About the life cycle ..

 
 By: bimbeano : September 16th, 2014-15:37
.. as opposed to what Nilo states about the 2-3 year life span ... i think a lot of people use their Macs more than 5 years .. i have a 6 year old perfect working iMac, an 11 year old for fun and a 10 year old MacPro ... an iPhone might 'last' 4 years max... 

Tethered to the iPhone

 
 By: jmpTT : September 15th, 2014-12:39
I don't see the  Watch as the product that will crowd out Swatch and Tissot, but it will eat into their market share. It isn't a set-and-forget accessory like a typical $500 wristwatch. For high end watch enthusiasts, the  W atch doesn't have the same a... 

Maintenance and autonomy are indeed crucial aspect (and unknown territory yet)...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 15th, 2014-23:51
but we have no final information as to the battery life as well as the autonomy vis-à-vis an iPhone. Sure you'll need one (good business case for Apple, but Samsung is the same here), but the question is whether you need it tethered permanently. We'll see... 

To make it short: superb report Magnus and me could imagine ...

 
 By: small-luxury-world : September 15th, 2014-13:05
to get one, but on top to my wrist watches - never ever instead of :-) But I must confess I have also a weakness for the Patek Philippe Golden Ellipse and even more the Kari Voutilainen Chronometre 27. I like that comparison and maybe that´s why I need on... 

Golden triangle - Apple, Patek and Kari - who wold have thought?

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 15th, 2014-23:53
Yes, I am tempted but would need to know more. Having a phone as necessary companion all time is a no-go for me. Otherwise, it would make a nice and stylish sports and activity watch. See you soon ;-) Magnus

You have pointed out a very under-exposed fact

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : September 15th, 2014-15:28
why do we pay so much (way too much) for our mechanical watches. Indeed the case & strap (connection) of the Apple watch look very high end for a rather, compared to mechanical watches, low price. As you point out correctly; the entire watch costs les... 

Yes, I also think that the Apple Watch will require the high end brands...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 15th, 2014-23:55
to better justify themselves. Let's see! Magnus

Fantastic article Magnus!

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : September 15th, 2014-19:46
Lots of fresh insights and your write-up actually helps me reduce my WIS biased view of the iWatch! Agree that it does not compete with haute horology and even interesting mechanical watches that are more accessible. It does not have to be a "this or that... 

Excellent article!

 
 By: pingtsai : September 16th, 2014-00:07
You have raised so many good points. I don't think the entire Swiss watch industry is in danger, far from it. The watch is cool but it will just be an additional watch/toy that people get to in addition to the mechanical ones. Especially at that price poi... 

The smart watch will never replace the Swiss mechanical luxury timepiece...

 
 By: secretlife : September 16th, 2014-00:19
... however, I can totally see it DISPLACING luxury watches from the wrist.

disruptive to all segments of watch industry, incl. vintage

 
 By: RDL : September 16th, 2014-01:42
First, let me clarify that I am not a deep user of Apple products or tech geek. To the contrary. But I am a business person observing closely what's happening to industries and their dynamics - and a vintage watch collector (have no modern watches). I am ... 

I will be more than happy to trade a Apple watch for a Patek 3417 or a Longines

 
 By: amanico : September 16th, 2014-02:52
Chronometer Cal 30. If you are true, that is some excellent news for us! Best, Nicolas

and maybe

 
 By: RDL : September 16th, 2014-04:41
...the next generation who don't appreciate 'old watches' anymore then will then engage in such a deal? I like your glass-half full view of this scenario - and I agree, if it does happen the true lovers of the inner values of watches will have more supply... 

I think we have to work on the definition of a watch.

 
 By: amanico : September 16th, 2014-05:29
What is a Watch? Somerthing which just gives you the Time? Then, no need to get a Watch, your cell phone gives it for free. If you want more than the time, the Tissot T Touch is cool. If you really want to have the time, only, then a normal Swatch is ok, ... 

+1

 
 By: ztirual : September 16th, 2014-14:21
I think the advent or the passing of the apple watch will be as insignificant to the vintage watch market as is the developing of new cars, as futuristic they might be, to the demand of high quality vintage cars. One does not collect vintage watches nor v... 

I don't think you have to worry..

 
 By: Allen : September 16th, 2014-13:49
The need to get information by glancing at your wrist will also be antiquated in a few years. In the near future, if you need information, if will simply be projected in your field of view with minimal distraction. Google Glass can do this now, but not di... 

You wrote more eloquently and rapidly than me

 
 By: MTF : September 22nd, 2014-03:56
RDL I agree. ALL my nephews and nieces have no idea what a cassette tape or Walkman is, let alone a vinyl record. Some don't even know what VHS or CD-ROM is because they only know mp4 or mp3... ALL of them have never driven manual transmission cars becaus... 

The best analysis of the Apple watch so far.

 
 By: Allen : September 16th, 2014-13:51
Wonderful. Thanks so much Magnus!

Wrist Real Estate

 
 By: Ubik : September 17th, 2014-08:57
Fascinating discussion. A few of my own thoughts. First I'm a die-hard Apple user, started using the Macintosh around 1990 and would never ever, ever, consider using any other computer. Didn't get the Ipad and then I bought one, now I can't think of life ... 

The Apple Watch review of thoughts

 
 By: MTF : September 22nd, 2014-05:26
Dear Magnus, Thank you for your essay about the Apple Watch. My immediate admiration is for your ability to insert the Apple logo on our page. I think that this device is for a different but emerging group of customer; one that requires permanent tetherin... 

Why would we take this watch seriously?

 
 By: Mostel : September 23rd, 2014-00:17
First of all, thanks for a thought provoking piece of writing.... But I have to say, although you are very articulate, I was not thought-provoked myself.... For myself, who cares what level of battery operated features this watch has? Who cares how well f... 

I think you meant this reply for original poster

 
 By: MTF : September 23rd, 2014-01:44
Mostel Thank you for your counterpoints but maybe you could place your response on the main thread? That way, it is a rebuttal to Magnus's original post. I could re-post it but then, it would have my name on it. Actually, Magnus is a scientist and his ess... 

Just my thoughts, Mostel! Perfectly put. Admirable.

 
 By: ztirual : September 26th, 2014-14:28
I also cannot stand it's 80's design. Fair enough with the iPhone… This so-called watch is full of gimmicks that already tire me to bits and will soon be replaced by its next thing to come. Your example of the "image of a cloisonné dial" instead of the re... 

I think we are indeed very close, Mostel...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : September 27th, 2014-09:10
in our appreciation of the Apple watch. Don't forget, us watch aficionados are the minority, even among watch buyers. This is the key here: younger people grew up with all kinds of electronics around them, being integral part of their lives. My godchild's... 

2 thumbs up Magnus..........

 
 By: dreamer8 : September 28th, 2014-17:06
For your analysis and reply. I unashamedly confess I will buy one even though it will never replace or usurp my passion for mechanical watches. IMHO, Apple did a fantastic job with this " watch " for a first time . A lot of attractive attributes. IMHO, a ... 

Excellent article!

 
 By: patrick_y : September 26th, 2014-11:06
Analogueiste. Great article. Lots of information. Lots of interesting comparisons. Jony said what? I didn't notice he said what he said.

Best article on the web

 
 By: Geo : September 29th, 2014-06:51
I have seen so far. Thanks a lot! GEO