No. They don't. In fact, the wrong celebrity makes me avoid the brand...

May 26, 2014,12:03 PM
 

Celebrity Ambassadors are a double edged sword.  And impaling yourself on either side doesn't hurt less.


Sword side one.  On one end, you align the company with the views of that celebrity ambassador.  And it's implied your values are consistent with that celebrity.  Many celebrities infallibly fall into scandal/gossip vortexes that damage their image (regardless of deserved or undeserved by the celebrity) and subsequently damages the company's image.  And in fact, the wrong celebrity will damage the consumer's perception of the brand.  There are relatively few celebrities that give off the perfect vibe of sophistication, ethics, and a clean lifestyle and whom doesn't have any skeletons in the closet.  But these brands don't look for that, they go for individuals they already have a relationship with, whether or not that is the right one.  

Sword side two.  Many celebrities are not known for superlative taste, etc.  At least not anymore.  The glamour years of Hollywood with beautiful women whom exhibited class and sophistication (think Sophia Loren, Elizabeth Taylor when she was younger) are nearly gone.  Today, celebrities are no longer as large influencers of taste as they once were, especially out of media towns such as Los Angeles, New York, Mumbai, et al.  They share that spotlight with the rise of commerce; business men, famous investors, and famous intellectuals (playwrights, screenwriters, authors, professors, and journalists).  Rap-musicians and American Footballers are examples of individuals whom have only recently come into the spotlight, and many are still in their "fashionable" phases.  They themselves may become long-forgotten fashions themselves.  Style comes from years of experience (sometimes a lifetime) of those who have privilege.  "Fashions fade, style is eternal." - Yves Saint Laurent.  

In the end, watch companies shouldn't focus on celebrity endorsements.  Look at Patek Philippe, they are not tremendously public with celebrity endorsements.  Neither does A. Lange & Soehne nor Vacheron Constantin.  These companies prefer to let the product stand on their own.  By logical extension, does this mean that the other brands are almost relying on celebrities to help their products stand up?  I'll let you decide that one.    

Last but not least, celebrity endorsements work less and less in the higher end luxury goods.  The people who can afford to buy them are less moved and motivated by celebrities, especially sports and modern urban music celebrities.  They're moved and motivated by themselves.  I'd start a marketing campaign; "You're your own celebrity."  

There's a lot of other things to consider.  Depending upon the angle of the brand.  There are sometimes qualitative things about a celebrity endorsing a product.  For instance Richard Mille having celebrities such as race car drivers and tennis players stating his watches can survive the g-forces of such extreme situations and still tell perfect time.  This is a qualitative celebrity endorsement that indicates the product is particularly rugged.  Nothing else.  

But to have a rap musician or a basketball player say this watch is good adds absolutely no major qualitative aspect to the watch.  Unless that watch improves their music or athletic ability (which I wouldn't believe such a claim if it were made).  Garbage in, garbage out.  

Lastly, PR firms love using their celebrity connections and tell their clients (the brands) that they'll benefit greatly.  What do you think?  I think they're in it for themselves.  

In the end, when I was very young, I remembered my teachers always reminding me to be mindful and critical of one thing; recognize the time when someone is impartial.  Be critical to what you read and hear, never take something at face value.  Evaluate the feasibility and likelihood of the incoming information stream.  Filter as you see fit, and make a final evaluation as to the credibility and worthiness of the piece of information.  Being skeptical is not a bad thing.  A valuable lesson that I think all people should remember.  

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Do Celebrity Ambassadors Help Sell Watches?

 
 By: pingtsai : May 25th, 2014-16:25
Do You Think Celebrity Ambassadors Help Sell Watches? This is a question I've often pondered. Large brands can have marketing budgets in the seven figures. There is no doubt that a large portion of the expenses is designated to the cost of using a celebri...  

IMHO celebrities do help the sales of watches in a big way

 
 By: δΈ­ι‡Žγ‚Œγ„ : May 25th, 2014-19:18
At least, it helps with the brand recognition. Do they affect my decision in buying my watches? Certainly not :)

What about when everyone already knows the brand?

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:06
I'd agree with brand recognition. What about when everyone already knows the brand like Rolex and Roger Federer?

If it's not ambassadors...

 
 By: ingmar : May 25th, 2014-19:37
... It's something else. Lange just finished up a Lake Como Mazarati showcase, JLC just highlighted their polo connection.. I don't know if ambassadors help sell watches but they give the marketing department something to play with. I'd say Richard Mille ... 

Well said.

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2014-12:11
In marketing lingo, Richard Mille's celebrity endorsements could be considered to be a "qualitative" one. These celebrities endorse the product stating it is able to stand the rigors of tennis and motor racing. This is a physical strain on the movement si... 

Thank you for your comments :)

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:11
Very good point that Richard Mille puts a lot of thought into his watch's ability relative to the ambassador. It attests to the comfort level of his watches even when swinging a racket or a club.

Most effective when an ambassador...

 
 By: Echi : May 25th, 2014-19:51
possess the qualities that are important to the brand. i think it's best when they do institutional ads rather than pairing off particular watches with celebs. i like those LV ads where they had Sean Connery and Angelina Jolie or the Coppollas, for exampl... 

Falling for an ad isn't necessarily a bad thing...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:19
...that's what they are designed to do, get your attention. I like those LV ads too. They seemed timeless and unexpected. Although they made me feel like I wanted to go on a safari more than buy the bag, lol.

Thought provoking post

 
 By: Spellbound : May 25th, 2014-20:04
And very well written. I suspect there are people who would buy a watch because some famous actor wore it in an ad. I have no issue with this as it serves a purpose of advertising and draws attention to a product that one might not have noticed. Is it a f... 

Sometimes I do question brand selections

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:29
for certain ambassadors so I don't think they always get it right. But you are right, as said in a previous comment...when brands make the ambassadors relative to the function of the watch, then it makes complete sense. Thanks for your comments.

It certainly does little for me.

 
 By: BABKA : May 25th, 2014-21:10
However, for many people who admire the sports and music industries it makes a world of difference whose name is attached to a particular model. In the pre-owned market, I am more inclined to buy a watch from a person who's personality, outlook on life, s... 

More than skin deep...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:32
...sometimes these spokespeople do carry a great deal of responsibility when they represent a brand. All too often we hear about someone losing a sponsor due to controversial behavior.

For those who don't know watches, maybe.

 
 By: amanico : May 25th, 2014-21:36
IMO, this kind of marketing is targetting people who don't know watches, just to remind them that watches may be an important accessory / toy. For the rest, no, I don't see Ambassadors, at least these ones, useful. But there is another question: Aren't we...  

You bring up an excellent point Nicolas!

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:45
It might make more sense to select a certain basketball shoe or golf club based on these athletes recommendations but they are less likely to know much about watches.

The comments of the existing owners and seeing it in the metal would be more convincing...

 
 By: KIH : May 25th, 2014-21:58
... IMVHO..... Here in the forum are many those who have gone through the purchasing process and you will know (if not yet) what you like and want and expect from the watches.... So.... I must say I am with Nico on this.... The rhetorical question - does ... 

Well said...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2014-12:20
Well said Ken. If current owners would buy again, that's a big endorsement. If Watch Company X stated, "100% of our current owners are pleased with buying their perpetual calendars according to a survey done by Reputable Evaluation Company Y." That would ... 

To some extent, I'm sure it does

 
 By: rnaden : May 26th, 2014-00:11
To the public who only see watches as a lifestyle product or as a status of accomplishment, perhaps. It might be cool to some to be associated with the same products as these celebrities, and I know some people who like this. To the collectors and probabl... 

Yup, they get paid A LOT...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:48
...so it has to have some effect on the price of the watches.

I think it promotes more people to wear fakes

 
 By: Jane : May 26th, 2014-00:42
As they cannot afford these watches....I personally do not like to see the likes of Hublot all over Football giving watches to these overpaid so called stars who can afford to buy their own... Patek and Breguet have it right by sponsoring Culture and lett... 

You bring up a good point...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2014-12:22
I am sure you're right. It does encourage the production of fakes. The watch industry is ironically promoting the fake watches in a way they didn't realize. Good point!

It certainly is nice when brands can celebrate....

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:51
...the quality and content of the watch as opposed to just surface characteristics. Thanks for pointing this out.

To be honest.. I couldn't care less, if/ who of the celebs wears a certain brand.. ;)

 
 By: hs111 : May 26th, 2014-00:55
.. obviously the marketing department want to build a subtle link with the " aura" of a certain ambassador/ess; they try to link attributes, they want to be perveived as their core messages, I suspect.. And yes, for non-watch afficionados or non-collector... 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:52
...many of us on here completely agree :)

Absolutely!

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : May 26th, 2014-01:59
Not among purists though :) but if not then there will be no more Ambassadors around Sincerely Damjan

Yes, there must be some ROI to make ...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:53
...hiring these ambassadors worthwhile.

Interesting topic

 
 By: Blue and White : May 26th, 2014-02:04
This is highly intriguing because the watch industry which cannot be really called innovative compared to other industry sectors, capitalizes largely on building an image. There are at least following points that come into my mind when we talk about the c... 

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2014-12:27
You bring up a lot of good points Abdullah! Watch companies would never consider Noam Chomsky because he's too polarizing (people either agree with him or don't agree with him). But they fail to realize that their celebrities can also be equally polarizin... 

Wow...thank you for your comprehensive response :)

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-22:55
Opinions and thoughts like yours are highly valued here and I thank you for taking the time to share them. Perhaps you should write an article as well :)

Empirically...

 
 By: iim7v7im7 : May 26th, 2014-07:59
Large, market savvy organizations only do things repeatedly because they believe that it works. Luxury watch brands have chosen to do this for quite some time now. Horology is an amorphous and inaccessible subject for most potential clients with the means... 

The minority can be correct...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2014-12:28
You may not be in the minority alone. There may be quite a few people on PuristSPro whom agree with you. And lastly, the minority is not always wrong.

Very well said :)

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-23:00
I believe it also takes away from their credibility. True watch connoisseurs don't take them as seriously.

Neil Armstrong

 
 By: MervC : May 26th, 2014-08:15
I suppose Neil Armstrong made me think of buying thr Omega Speedmaster... :) Is he a celebrity?

Not Neil i think ...

 
 By: bimbeano : May 26th, 2014-09:05
.. but the fact the Speedmaster was used as a tool watch on the moon probably made you think of buying one ... and the looks of the watch ! :-) Filip

Yes he is.

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2014-12:30
He's a celebrity and an icon of history. A historical celebrity.

You took the words . . .

 
 By: Dr No : May 26th, 2014-14:23
[Apollo 16 astronaut Charlie Duke] . . . right out of my mouth ;-) . . . ...  

That's just cool!

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-23:01

They really do !

 
 By: bimbeano : May 26th, 2014-09:11
I've talked to a guy wearing a Hublot by Ayrton Senna and that was the main talking point of that particular watch, he also had a lot of Rolex watches which implies he is also a watch aficionado ... I've was talking to a friend lately (a true Ferrari and ... 

Related question: Do celebrity "fans" (unofficial) help sell watches to collectors?

 
 By: jmpTT : May 26th, 2014-11:00
I'm not surprised at the answers so far. Undoubtedly, celebrities bring awareness to brands, otherwise brands would not spend money doing this. No doubt, the worst of these forced marriages weaken the offending brands' credibility in Purists' eyes. Very f... 

Yes, because...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 26th, 2014-23:07
....they are not getting paid directly (maybe they get certain perks) but in general they are fans too like us and that can be appreciated and taken into account.

For better or worse, they disclose the companies' standards.

 
 By: mkvc : May 26th, 2014-11:21
A representative whose values I admire improves my feelings toward the company, while a representative whose values I dislike does the opposite. Generally, I skew toward the dislike side, and am more interested in having the companies support cultural pur... 

Very interesting and great point...

 
 By: pingtsai : May 28th, 2014-23:18
...that our perceptions of different ambassadors will prompt different responses. Brands do have to choose wisely then. this is also made evident when companies withdraw sponsorship and ambassadorship when celebrities get into trouble or involve themselve... 

No. They don't. In fact, the wrong celebrity makes me avoid the brand...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 26th, 2014-12:03
Celebrity Ambassadors are a double edged sword. And impaling yourself on either side doesn't hurt less. Sword side one. On one end, you align the company with the views of that celebrity ambassador. And it's implied your values are consistent with that ce... 

Hi Patrick, thank you

 
 By: pingtsai : May 28th, 2014-23:47
for the thoughtful response. You make some excellent points and I love the "lessons" that you list at the end. Especially - not to take things at face value. I find that I try to have this outlook on life in general. You simply never know what the real st... 

Always a pleasure.

 
 By: patrick_y : May 28th, 2014-23:51
Always a pleasure. Thank you for reading. And there were a great multitude of thoughtful responses. Thank you for the interesting topic!

Definitely has no impact on my decisions, leastways to purchase.

 
 By: MichaelC : May 26th, 2014-14:52
There are certainly athletes out there I despise and therefore would never own anything related to them. But I would also never buy just because of them. I mean, if AP makes a green #33 Larry Bird edition I might break down, but otherwise it has no bearin... 

personally always a deterrent

 
 By: Mostel : May 26th, 2014-16:57
I have liked a watch, THEN seen a celebrity endorsement, and been turned off of the brand entirely. George Clooney for Omega has consistently turned me away, Leo Decaprio for Tag, and all the hip hop associations with AP... total turn off. Other ambassado... 

I'm with Mostel...

 
 By: Esharp : May 27th, 2014-07:34
Ping, thanks for a good, refreshing topic! Thinking about it, anyone who's read any of my relatively few posts knows that I'm basically a grumpy old contrarian (in a much younger body - or so I'd like to think). So it'll come as no surprise that I'm prett... 

Oh yeah, that IWC advertising scheme was awful...

 
 By: patrick_y : May 27th, 2014-23:41
That IWC "Men" stuff was just awful. So desperate, it was like they were clinging on straws. Who came up with that? Internal? PR/advertising company? Other? That was just awful. Did you know some brand ambassadors aren't paid? For instance, Rolex ambassad... 

Depends on the watch...

 
 By: secretlife : May 26th, 2014-18:22
I guess if the watch is meant for the mass market, then it is appropriate to engage an ambassador with mass appeal. Personally, I love the fact that De Bethune does not bother with marketing at all, but are all the more precious for it... (",) Vive la dif... 

You forgot to depict him ...

 
 By: Marcus Hanke : May 27th, 2014-08:37
... well, you mentioned LDC in your post, but I missed this hilarious picture: Regarding your question: Yes, the right ambassadors can help increasing the sales. Just look at the various special interest magazines, which are dedicating a major share of th...  

LOL...I've never seen those photos

 
 By: pingtsai : May 28th, 2014-23:59
That just looks ridiculous to just hold the watch like that. I guess it's proof that celebrities should not be ambassadors, lol. The Ebel campaign was very well executed as you mentioned. Unfortunately I think the public is not sophisticated enough to app... 

rhetorical question [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : May 27th, 2014-16:49

uhh, not really

 
 By: pingtsai : May 27th, 2014-17:37
I really did want to find out how people personally felt and the reasons.

'Do pictures of famous people...

 
 By: Esharp : May 27th, 2014-18:24
'Do pictures of famous people sell watches?' may be a rhetorical question, in that so many brands do it that I assume that someone, somewhere, has shown reasonably well that the tactic works. (Maybe I'm wrong and it's just a great sales job by the agents ... 

yes really

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : May 28th, 2014-15:43
If it wouldn't help, they wouldn't be paid. Simple. Strong example: if some certain actor from some certain film based upon a novelle about some certain secret agent didn't wear a NATO strap on his Rolex nobody (maybe apart from soldiers) would wear a Sub... 

just saying

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : May 29th, 2014-00:13
not telling

Vanity...

 
 By: sfoskett : May 29th, 2014-06:45
Celebrities are all about vanity and short-sighted marketing than real impact. Sure, it gives the brands something to talk about other than the watches. And it's possible that certain categories (athletes) might increase brand awareness. But has Audemars ... 

I have lost faith ...

 
 By: AndrewD : May 31st, 2014-02:36
... because these are no longer celebrity endorsements, but rather watch companies endorsing celebrities. I still notice the advertisements, but I have no faith that the particular 'celebrity' either loves the watch on his/her wrist or supports the brand ... 

Yes I do

 
 By: tom2517 : June 3rd, 2014-09:51
Sometimes the simplest answer is the best answer, of course they do, otherwise why would all those companies spend so much money on celebrities. They must have done focus group studies, case studies, and whatnot before spending the money. I don't think it...