$500 tourl.....

Apr 23, 2009,19:40 PM
 

No I can't spell. lol.  I've seen the same add advertising a $500 tourliben in Newsweek, yes I'ma news junkie.  Let's think about this and analize what we are seeing. 

Possibility one.  The ad is telling the truth and they aren't trying to rip you off.  Seiko perfected the technology to make automated equipment to manufacter an entire movement (the one used in the seiko 5s) vertually untouched by human hands.  So in theory, they got their hands on some of those machines which is possible since the seiko 5 movements are probably being made in China like every other mass produced item. well, almost.  They could have modified and used those machines to make the parts for the $500 watch.  They wouldn't be pretty, but they would work.  Then the parts would be, in theory sent over to a sweat shop where they pay them about 300-700 yuan a month to work 13 hour days assembling the watches.  The current exchange rate is between 5 and 8 yuan to the dollar.  So, are you willing to pay someone a living wage to assemble your $500 watch?

Possibly two. It's a fly by night operation and you'll never see your money or a watch again.

Possibility three. It's made by the same people using the above equipment and labor who make the "copy watches" and sell them on Nathan road in Hong Kong.  Copy Watch?  If I hear that again I'm going to screammmmmmm.  They don't care if you are just going out for morning tea and actually live in HK, or have lived there and are back for a visit.  They will still bug you until you yell at them, preferably in Chinese to GO AWAY.  Several years ago, a friend convinced one of those annoying hawkers that if the hawker took him back to the place where they are made, he just might buy one.  So amazingly the hawker DID take him back there to this dingy place located on a dark alley in Tsim sha Tsui.  They were taking Seikos and pulling off the dials and mounting face dials.   They've gotten a lot more sophisticated since then as they've picked up skills from the mass watch manufacturers in China.  So they can probably make a convincing fake case and copy a Swiss high end watch piece by piece and make the pieces by automated machines. No it wouldn't be pretty, but like a Timex it would work and they would sell it to you for $500. And the profits would eventually end up in some Traids' coffers.  My friend is just lucky he made it out of that place with no broken bones. He must have bought the watch. lol

In conclusion, It is a scary thought that at some point in the near future used Swiss watches will have to be authenticated the prove that they aren't elaborate fakes.

 

 

 

 

 

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Healthy skepticism is a good thing, but is it possible to take it too far?

 
 By: ThomasM : January 31st, 2009-22:23
Hi, When does skepticism become cynicism? Is there an important distinction, relevant for hobbyists and aficionados? I am seeing more and more a tendency, even propensity, for certain individuals to play the cynicism card quickly and frequently. And it se... 

Thoughts...

 
 By: nickd : February 1st, 2009-04:02
Hi Thomas, Skepticism and cynicism are very different, at least to my mind. I am very skeptical about many of the claims about the supposedly performance-enhancing complications as there are virtually never hard figures to back them up, and this leads me ... 

It is possible to be a part-time cynic.

 
 By: mkvc : February 1st, 2009-08:56
In my view, the watch industry has to a large extent bifurcated itself. While all watch companies rely on both "quality" and "marketing" to make their products desirable, most companies have made decisions to be either primarily quality-driven or primaril... 

excellent comments and defining of the framework, thanks!

 
 By: ThomasM : February 1st, 2009-10:12
Hi, MKVC, Well made points, and I agree with the ideas! Regarding your last point about community commentary - I touched on this once or twice before, recently; in one case, it quickly went astray and really drew out lots of projections and unexplicated a... 

Sometimes a difficult distinction to make in my head

 
 By: aaronm : February 1st, 2009-12:33
I am, somewhat by nature, a skeptical person. I have become quite skeptical of anything that appears in company press releases, not because I think that they are lying to us, but because what I think of as "reality" somewhat conflicts with PR. PR is, in s... 

Quality versus Marketing exactly!

 
 By: eric.vonschonberg : February 14th, 2009-09:49

Interesting point..

 
 By: BDLJ : February 1st, 2009-15:32
Though, I do think using the word "newbies" is a little dismissive. Personally, I find it amusing that so many of the manufacturer's claims go unchallenged. Spurious history, banal processes and materials renamed to glamourise them, unfalsifiable claims..... 

"newbies" not meant to be dismissive...

 
 By: ThomasM : February 1st, 2009-18:25
Hi, I did not intend to use "newbies" in a pejorative or dismissive sense, any more than I am a "newbie" myself because I don't understand the depth of feeling held by Chinese abused by Japanese, or WWII Jews by Germans. (strong metaphors used intentional... 

Well put.

 
 By: BDLJ : February 1st, 2009-20:02

Very interesting question, Thomas! It hits the mark.

 
 By: Jos. : February 1st, 2009-19:43
First, the main difference between skepticism and cynicism: skepticism is always justified, cynicism only in certain cases. So ideally, skepticism should be an attitude and cynicism a conclusion. Alas, were it always so! It's interesting to see from your ... 

excellent read

 
 By: Ir77 : February 2nd, 2009-08:51
thank you for writing that.

Out of the mouths of babes

 
 By: Ginger : February 2nd, 2009-12:46

the mechanical wristwatch has become a disposable commodity

 
 By: viknijjar : March 7th, 2009-22:47
Modern manufacturing techniques have rendered any meaningful horological advance to be frivolous at best. We live in a world of $500 tourbillons, and that reality has come with impressive speed and finality. What you construe as skepticism or cynicism are... 

$500 tourl.....

 
 By: sinohog1 : April 23rd, 2009-19:40
No I can't spell. lol. I've seen the same add advertising a $500 tourliben in Newsweek, yes I'ma news junkie. Let's think about this and analize what we are seeing. Possibility one. The ad is telling the truth and they aren't trying to rip you off. Seiko ... 

Swiss horology vs. American

 
 By: sinohog1 : April 21st, 2009-21:20
Sadly we've lost most of our watch industry, especially after the 1970s. I'm usually the optimist. So the Swiss have been very good at passing skills on and developing effective apprenticeship programs. Our local jeweler who just retired just shuttered th...