Sometimes a difficult distinction to make in my head

Feb 01, 2009,12:33 PM
 

I am, somewhat by nature, a skeptical person.  I have become quite skeptical of anything that appears in company press releases, not because I think that they are lying to us, but because what I think of as "reality" somewhat conflicts with PR.  PR is, in some cases, the art of saying the nicest thing you can about something as long as it isn't wrong.  But the in the gulf between incorrect and correct is misleading, and many companies plant themselves there.  This is in no way a unique-to-the-watch-industry phenomonon.  They are perhaps more succeptable to hyperbole, and use several terms which don't really have an established meaning("Swiss Made" has a finite meaning, but "In House" can mean whatever you want)

It doesn't help that the Swiss watch industry thrives in secrecy, a habit that causes a cloud of distrust to hover about them.  A example of this would be all the troubles between Franck Muller(the man) and Franck Muller(the brand).  I still have no idea what the final outcome was of all those lawsuits.  Did FM-the brand use Russian movements in their watches?  Was there dishonesty on the part of FM-the man, there were even rumors of drug use.  Ordinarily a company would put out an honest press release and this would be settled, but these issues are all settled in secret, satisfying the parties, but leaving the customer without a final answer, and with increasing doubts.

There are also some examples in the last years of companies promoting a watch or a movement as one thing, and only retracting or restating it when facts came to light that counter indicated that. (one example would be Hublot and their magnesium 7750 movement, which they called in-house, because they had manufactured it under license. )

Because of previous examples, people become cynical when the brands are completely truthful, making it harder to kill these rumors.   It also causes things that ARE promoted accurately to suffer through years of "copycat" complaints, like:
1.  the Hublot Big-Bang is a copy of the AP ROO,
2.  the Omega 3313 is a modified FPiguet 1185

So I try not to be a cynic, because then it wouldn't be fun, and for me this is a hobby, something fun.  Who'd buy, thinking everyone was trying to scam you?

Sorry this kinda rambled on....
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Healthy skepticism is a good thing, but is it possible to take it too far?

 
 By: ThomasM : January 31st, 2009-22:23
Hi, When does skepticism become cynicism? Is there an important distinction, relevant for hobbyists and aficionados? I am seeing more and more a tendency, even propensity, for certain individuals to play the cynicism card quickly and frequently. And it se... 

Thoughts...

 
 By: nickd : February 1st, 2009-04:02
Hi Thomas, Skepticism and cynicism are very different, at least to my mind. I am very skeptical about many of the claims about the supposedly performance-enhancing complications as there are virtually never hard figures to back them up, and this leads me ... 

It is possible to be a part-time cynic.

 
 By: mkvc : February 1st, 2009-08:56
In my view, the watch industry has to a large extent bifurcated itself. While all watch companies rely on both "quality" and "marketing" to make their products desirable, most companies have made decisions to be either primarily quality-driven or primaril... 

excellent comments and defining of the framework, thanks!

 
 By: ThomasM : February 1st, 2009-10:12
Hi, MKVC, Well made points, and I agree with the ideas! Regarding your last point about community commentary - I touched on this once or twice before, recently; in one case, it quickly went astray and really drew out lots of projections and unexplicated a... 

Sometimes a difficult distinction to make in my head

 
 By: aaronm : February 1st, 2009-12:33
I am, somewhat by nature, a skeptical person. I have become quite skeptical of anything that appears in company press releases, not because I think that they are lying to us, but because what I think of as "reality" somewhat conflicts with PR. PR is, in s... 

Quality versus Marketing exactly!

 
 By: eric.vonschonberg : February 14th, 2009-09:49

Interesting point..

 
 By: BDLJ : February 1st, 2009-15:32
Though, I do think using the word "newbies" is a little dismissive. Personally, I find it amusing that so many of the manufacturer's claims go unchallenged. Spurious history, banal processes and materials renamed to glamourise them, unfalsifiable claims..... 

"newbies" not meant to be dismissive...

 
 By: ThomasM : February 1st, 2009-18:25
Hi, I did not intend to use "newbies" in a pejorative or dismissive sense, any more than I am a "newbie" myself because I don't understand the depth of feeling held by Chinese abused by Japanese, or WWII Jews by Germans. (strong metaphors used intentional... 

Well put.

 
 By: BDLJ : February 1st, 2009-20:02

Very interesting question, Thomas! It hits the mark.

 
 By: Jos. : February 1st, 2009-19:43
First, the main difference between skepticism and cynicism: skepticism is always justified, cynicism only in certain cases. So ideally, skepticism should be an attitude and cynicism a conclusion. Alas, were it always so! It's interesting to see from your ... 

excellent read

 
 By: Ir77 : February 2nd, 2009-08:51
thank you for writing that.

Out of the mouths of babes

 
 By: Ginger : February 2nd, 2009-12:46

the mechanical wristwatch has become a disposable commodity

 
 By: viknijjar : March 7th, 2009-22:47
Modern manufacturing techniques have rendered any meaningful horological advance to be frivolous at best. We live in a world of $500 tourbillons, and that reality has come with impressive speed and finality. What you construe as skepticism or cynicism are... 

$500 tourl.....

 
 By: sinohog1 : April 23rd, 2009-19:40
No I can't spell. lol. I've seen the same add advertising a $500 tourliben in Newsweek, yes I'ma news junkie. Let's think about this and analize what we are seeing. Possibility one. The ad is telling the truth and they aren't trying to rip you off. Seiko ... 

Swiss horology vs. American

 
 By: sinohog1 : April 21st, 2009-21:20
Sadly we've lost most of our watch industry, especially after the 1970s. I'm usually the optimist. So the Swiss have been very good at passing skills on and developing effective apprenticeship programs. Our local jeweler who just retired just shuttered th...