excellent comments and defining of the framework, thanks!

Feb 01, 2009,10:12 AM
 

Hi, MKVC,

Well made points, and I agree with the ideas!

Regarding your last point about community commentary - I touched on this once or twice before, recently; in one case, it quickly went astray and really drew out lots of projections and unexplicated assumptions...interesting... - is there a distinction between gut level reactions and commentary, opinions, considered opinions, and experienced, educated opinions? And if so, is such a distinction important?

I remember when we (most participants on ThePuristS) took the time and effort to note, "imho" or something of the sort.

I also remember someone pointing out how silly and a waste of bandwidth that was - "all comments are opinions, and it's redundant and a waste of keystrokes to add that in posts"

I understand the thinking behind that comment, but I really strongly disagree as

a. I felt it was generalizing, inappropriately, from a specific, limited range of commentary

b. it failed to acknowledge the important (in my opinion) differences in context - of the intended nature of the comments; of the background of the commentator; etc. - for various comments.

Thanks,

TM

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Healthy skepticism is a good thing, but is it possible to take it too far?

 
 By: ThomasM : January 31st, 2009-22:23
Hi, When does skepticism become cynicism? Is there an important distinction, relevant for hobbyists and aficionados? I am seeing more and more a tendency, even propensity, for certain individuals to play the cynicism card quickly and frequently. And it se... 

Thoughts...

 
 By: nickd : February 1st, 2009-04:02
Hi Thomas, Skepticism and cynicism are very different, at least to my mind. I am very skeptical about many of the claims about the supposedly performance-enhancing complications as there are virtually never hard figures to back them up, and this leads me ... 

It is possible to be a part-time cynic.

 
 By: mkvc : February 1st, 2009-08:56
In my view, the watch industry has to a large extent bifurcated itself. While all watch companies rely on both "quality" and "marketing" to make their products desirable, most companies have made decisions to be either primarily quality-driven or primaril... 

excellent comments and defining of the framework, thanks!

 
 By: ThomasM : February 1st, 2009-10:12
Hi, MKVC, Well made points, and I agree with the ideas! Regarding your last point about community commentary - I touched on this once or twice before, recently; in one case, it quickly went astray and really drew out lots of projections and unexplicated a... 

Sometimes a difficult distinction to make in my head

 
 By: aaronm : February 1st, 2009-12:33
I am, somewhat by nature, a skeptical person. I have become quite skeptical of anything that appears in company press releases, not because I think that they are lying to us, but because what I think of as "reality" somewhat conflicts with PR. PR is, in s... 

Quality versus Marketing exactly!

 
 By: eric.vonschonberg : February 14th, 2009-09:49

Interesting point..

 
 By: BDLJ : February 1st, 2009-15:32
Though, I do think using the word "newbies" is a little dismissive. Personally, I find it amusing that so many of the manufacturer's claims go unchallenged. Spurious history, banal processes and materials renamed to glamourise them, unfalsifiable claims..... 

"newbies" not meant to be dismissive...

 
 By: ThomasM : February 1st, 2009-18:25
Hi, I did not intend to use "newbies" in a pejorative or dismissive sense, any more than I am a "newbie" myself because I don't understand the depth of feeling held by Chinese abused by Japanese, or WWII Jews by Germans. (strong metaphors used intentional... 

Well put.

 
 By: BDLJ : February 1st, 2009-20:02

Very interesting question, Thomas! It hits the mark.

 
 By: Jos. : February 1st, 2009-19:43
First, the main difference between skepticism and cynicism: skepticism is always justified, cynicism only in certain cases. So ideally, skepticism should be an attitude and cynicism a conclusion. Alas, were it always so! It's interesting to see from your ... 

excellent read

 
 By: Ir77 : February 2nd, 2009-08:51
thank you for writing that.

Out of the mouths of babes

 
 By: Ginger : February 2nd, 2009-12:46

the mechanical wristwatch has become a disposable commodity

 
 By: viknijjar : March 7th, 2009-22:47
Modern manufacturing techniques have rendered any meaningful horological advance to be frivolous at best. We live in a world of $500 tourbillons, and that reality has come with impressive speed and finality. What you construe as skepticism or cynicism are... 

$500 tourl.....

 
 By: sinohog1 : April 23rd, 2009-19:40
No I can't spell. lol. I've seen the same add advertising a $500 tourliben in Newsweek, yes I'ma news junkie. Let's think about this and analize what we are seeing. Possibility one. The ad is telling the truth and they aren't trying to rip you off. Seiko ... 

Swiss horology vs. American

 
 By: sinohog1 : April 21st, 2009-21:20
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