The mechanical compromises are present, but this moement is significant.

Oct 19, 2008,20:48 PM
 

While I agree with the POV of some engineering compromises.

I am of the opinion that many factors justify the importance of creating this movement.

One is that it allows more creativity for future movements, and that it sends the right signal that older ideas previously not well implemented by earlier efforts should not be abandoned. Significant lessons have been learnt fro Patek's and Citizen's attempts.

The platform of the A1000 will allow a space, at least from what I can reveal, for some very lateral thinking designs.

I am optimistic. I know for fact that even the sceptical of watch engineers had very good compliments that were shared with me earlier.

In modesty, I may be 100% WRONG. However, like the Freak, and also the single barrel cal5000 both in 1999, I too experineced incredible negative comments for my support of those projects....one was silicium, the other that it was a thick and useless big movement. GUT feelings...the A1000 is the beginning of better things.

Again, I am not disagreeing with all the points made.

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An outsider brand, Carl F. Bucherer, and its innovative new in-house calibre

 
 By: SJX : October 17th, 2008-22:35
Located in Lucerne, Carl F. Bucherer owned by Bucherer, one of Switzerland's oldest watch retailers, but run as an independent company. The parent Bucherer Group is a huge enterprise with revenues exceeding CHF500 million, making it one of the largest ret...  

Yes. SJX's observations are correct. THIS is a movement of great importance.

 
 By: bernard cheong : October 18th, 2008-18:00
The placement of the power gathering pinion off to the edge, away from the centre is of incredible significance. This will be the very first movement to do it. Complex and beautiful stuff can be placed over the movement to bring us all sorts of wonderful ... 

not the first, but possibly the last...

 
 By: ei8htohms : October 19th, 2008-01:05
Hello Bernard, I'm gonna have to disagree strongly with your observations about the significance and particularly "innovation" of using a peripherally mounted rotor. Citizen attempted this in the '60s with little success and so did Patek Philippe (Cal. 35... 

How can winding efficiency be quantified or tested in the industry?

 
 By: Kong : October 19th, 2008-01:30
Thanks for the note, John. Looking for some standard test references instead qualitative statements on many PR materials. Kong This message has been edited by Kong on 2008-10-19 02:21:55

I know of no universally agreed upon testing methods

 
 By: ei8htohms : October 19th, 2008-08:47
Hi Kong, There may be quantitative tests used by engineering schools or other disinterested organizations to measure the efficiency of an automatic winding mechanism, but I am not aware of them or what they would involve. One can only assume that differen... 

Efficiency testing

 
 By: BDLJ : October 19th, 2008-22:48

further technical observations

 
 By: jfsuperior : October 19th, 2008-07:39
John, As a watchmaker I appreciate your technical input and I raise similar concerns though I would like to see the Bucherer movement in my hands to reach any definitive conclusions. But, I've attached a photo I stitched together of three different automa...  

thanks Jack, interesting info about the Perrelet design

 
 By: ei8htohms : October 19th, 2008-09:05
Hi Jack, I also would like to see the Bucherer movement in person, but it would take some kind of quantitative testing or substantial anecdotal reporting from wearers and watchmakers working on the movement to convince me of how ell it actually works. I'v...