"Dufour's touch"?

Jan 18, 2015,06:18 AM
 

Hello Bernard,

The V4 is an intriguing collection of watches to be sure and I appreciate the closeup look at certain aspects of the movement.

I have to take exception to the insinuation that the entirely machined anglage has anything to do with Dufour however. My understanding is that his involvement with this movement was solely as a consultant brought in quite late in the process of getting it running before it's initial release at a watch fair (Basel?). Please correct me if I'm wrong and he continued working with Tag on it beyond that point.

Regardless, to imply that the very obviously machined bevels in the V4 (not a sharp interior angle to be found for one thing) has anything to do with the hand applied and exquisitely refined anglage in Dufour's own work is bizarre at best. Do you believe the crude chamfering found in standard grade movements from other industrial movement makers owes a nod to Dufour as well? Beveled edges on plates and bridges have been a hallmark of watchmaking for hundreds of years. Let's not insult Dufour's work by conflating how he does it with how it's done by CNC in an industrial setting.

If you'd like to point me to a reference to Dufour in conversation with Tag engineers:

"But this movement has no anglage!?"
"Yes Mr. Dufour. It is entirely CNC."
"But it must have anglage still!"
"Yes Mr. Dufour. Right away."

I'll happily eat my hat.

_john


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"Dufour's touch"?

 
 By: ei8htohms : January 18th, 2015-06:18
Hello Bernard, The V4 is an intriguing collection of watches to be sure and I appreciate the closeup look at certain aspects of the movement. I have to take exception to the insinuation that the entirely machined anglage has anything to do with Dufour how... 

"touch".....that's not the same.

 
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