I was wondering when someone would bring that up!

Mar 06, 2015,22:15 PM
 

Well done, sir!


Unfortunately - at least in my book - it fails on all three counts of "attractive and intelligently-designed but unbranded - or at least less-branded". It would actually be pretty difficult for a belt buckle to reek more of conspicuous consumption than this, at least without being encrusted with precious gems!

(Atelier Jean Rousseau does make some decent ones along the right design lines - I must remember to check them out when next in Paris. And JM Weston's 'vice-versa' looks pretty discreet too. So there is hope.)

Best

E.

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Brands, Branding, and brand obssession, Part 1

 
 By: ThomasM : March 6th, 2015-10:56
Hi, I've been a watch nut (and car nut, and audiophile, and...ok, I admit it, I'm OCD...) since the early 1970's. I can't say I've aways been a Purist...no, wait, let me correct that - I've always had the idea of being a purist in my mind, but I wasn't co...  
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LOL! another precious about belt buckle ;)

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : March 6th, 2015-13:02
I think that H on buckle is for Haldimann ;) Cheers D
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These belts are old-fashioned in France for at least 3 years.

 
 By: foversta : March 6th, 2015-15:53
You look like a teenager who goes to his first evening at the club with it. I have to confess that never the power of the brands/brandings has been so strong. Is it due to the influence of social media? Or to the emergence of new customers? Both? Things h... 
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Agreed; there are many legitimate and useful reasons for powerful branding...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 6th, 2015-17:46
some of those reasons useful to consumers and not just the conglomerates and brand collecting tycoons that have scooped up hallowed ateliers in the past 2-3 decades. I thought it might be fun to explore what those benefits, assumptions, and yes, even red ... 
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Hello ThomasM...

 
 By: pplater : March 6th, 2015-17:29
Welcome here! You will find that this is a friendly, relaxed community of generally like-minded people. You will also find that we have fora dedicated to many of your interests; enjoy wandering through them. Looking forward to reading more of you here, an... 
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thank you for your kind welcome, Pplater! I've heard...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 6th, 2015-17:43
about this mythical place; glad I finally found it. I hope everyone here are not too like minded; that would make discussions awfully boring! Do y'all allow different points of view? Are newbies allowed to ask beginner questions? What about fanboys? Will ... 
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Not at all...

 
 By: pplater : March 6th, 2015-18:55
I hope everyone here are not too like minded; that would make discussions awfully boring! Do y'all allow different points of view? Of course different points of view are allowed! Heck, you should even post them: how else will we identify targets? Are newb... 
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I just read and laughed about what I just read. Love such writing and responses and hooe

 
 By: KC74 : March 6th, 2015-20:25
and hope everyone loves open discussion, accept different opinions, word of wisdoms and witty comments. Keep going pls :) haha
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You would do such a perfect mentor :p [nt]

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 7th, 2015-12:20
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Agreed, Mark. KCKL - let's all work together on getting the nun to post more...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 10th, 2015-09:02
his witticisms are among the most precious things in this community! :-)
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They say that 'out east', too ;)

 
 By: aptronym : March 10th, 2015-17:35
So when are you coming over, pplater?!?? Enquiring minds wish to know.
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'Soon'...

 
 By: pplater : March 10th, 2015-22:57
...(as they say out West). Cheers, pplater.
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Melbourne in the mid-20's, maybe? [nt]

 
 By: ThomasM : March 11th, 2015-05:33
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Not impossible...

 
 By: pplater : March 11th, 2015-07:04
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LOL [nt]

 
 By: Arie - Mr Orange : March 10th, 2015-12:05
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Actually, it's a brilliant design.

 
 By: Esharp : March 6th, 2015-20:27
TM, At one point many years ago I was captivated by the infamous Haha belt buckle. But not because it was all about the prestige of the big brand - actually, in my naïveté, I had no idea who made it when I first saw it. No, I was attracted to it because i... 
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"Did someone say...

 
 By: pplater : March 6th, 2015-20:41
...Roland Iten???" Cheers, pplater. ...  
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I was wondering when someone would bring that up!

 
 By: Esharp : March 6th, 2015-22:15
Well done, sir! Unfortunately - at least in my book - it fails on all three counts of " attractive and intelligently-designed but unbranded - or at least less-branded". It would actually be pretty difficult for a belt buckle to reek more of conspicuous co... 
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At last, I've figured out what these belt buckles really are!

 
 By: Esharp : March 7th, 2015-08:13
Just to keep things classy around here: They are hood ornaments... ...for the crotch. I should probably go sit in a corner now, eh? Best, E.
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Esharp, LOL! lovely analogy! And thanks...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 10th, 2015-09:05
for the clarification on the H-onda belt; as someone who goes to great length to figure out a way to strap and unstrap tang and buckle watch straps for minimum damage each time, your comments particularly resonate. Who knows? soon even the WanderingPurist... 
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Honda belts lol!

 
 By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : March 6th, 2015-22:25
For belts, I choose Montblanc belts as they are very discreet with a very small Montblanc emblem (hardly visible) or no logo at all. It\'s always a balance for consumer luxury mentality - "I want something people will recognize (even if common) especially... 
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A powerful dichotomy, Robin, and I think most of us have fallen on both sides at some

 
 By: ThomasM : March 10th, 2015-09:09
point in our lives. My personal favorite belt is one that has too many Medusa heads - so out of character for me, but I love the sleek buckle, which looks like it could have been designed by Marcelo Gandini or Bertone. Fits right in with modern Lamborghin... 
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Your post and this ugly belt ...

 
 By: nilomis : March 7th, 2015-02:25
Don't know why, reminds me of a character of a book: The main character, Cayce Pollard, makes a living by having an allergic reaction (she faints, pukes etc.) to bad logos. She cannot stand, as an example, the Michelin Man (faints). Back to real world: I... 
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I remember that book...

 
 By: Esharp : March 7th, 2015-08:10
I've always been a big fan of Gibson and quite enjoyed Pattern Recognition when it was published - interesting characters and situations, although I do remember thinking the plot became somewhat daft towards the end. About 'debranding' or 'rebranding' car...  
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That's exactly my impression ...

 
 By: nilomis : March 7th, 2015-11:49
" thinking the plot became somewhat daft towards the end ". By and large, Gibson comes with a great idea and wonderful wording (I don't know a better way, also from this book, to describe "jet lag", remember?) but the end is always convoluted. Great "de b... 
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S-line badge probably

 
 By: Ares501 - Mr Green : March 7th, 2015-12:08
perfectly matched someones key scar or door bump in garage :) Best D
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One could go crazy trying to rationalize human behaviour...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 10th, 2015-09:12
or become delusional and sincerely believe one actually finally has "the answer..." :-)
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Purists are pragmatic.

 
 By: KC74 : March 7th, 2015-09:32
Back to Thomas' post, I was surprised he showed a belt I wanted. The H buckle. I saw a few times a few people I know, wearing them. The longer I waited the more people I see wrapping their waist with that alphabet. The longer I waited, the wanting of H wa... 
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KCKL...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 10th, 2015-09:16
you name dropper, you! :-) Seriously, I think a large part of connoisseurship (or is that too pompous, Nilo? How about "being a mature enthusiast?") is being conscious of when one is being influenced by branding, when it goes above and beyond what "brands... 
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Hi Thomas. Purists are very much aware of what goes beyond..

 
 By: KC74 : March 11th, 2015-08:08
Too much branding perhaps and maybe hype.. I fail to understand why many brands are jumping on to the bandwagon to come out with "smart watches". I think it's rubbish. Are we not smart enuff? I like iPhones. Using the 6 right now. I would rather encourage... 
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More and more brands take a wide place in our everyday life but...

 
 By: Mark in Paris : March 7th, 2015-12:17
when things reach an extreme they one day or another finish to reverse. It is true in styling, moral, liberty etc ... D&G, H, LV and others are brands I see a little too much these years and join Fx's opinion on that matter (new media and middle class... 
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"Their success will be their downfall." Some interesting points...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 10th, 2015-09:20
Hi, Mark, Rightly or wrongly, I've long held Rolex success against them - I don't need a Rolex to affirm my station in life, no matter how much I might respect their engineering or manufacturing. Especially when that "station" is being read and interprete... 
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it's all about the marketing

 
 By: dsgalaxy1 : March 7th, 2015-13:23
The manufacturers knows it very well. Let's focus the attention to the high end brand: do you think they provide the same quality of 10, 20,30, 40 (etc) years ago? ( rhetorical question ) People simply ignore what they buy, they don't care too much becaus... 
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Hopefully...

 
 By: ThomasM : March 10th, 2015-09:23
PuristSPro can continue to be a refuge, a safe haven, a last bastion, against that sort of mentality...and continue to call out, albeit respectfully and with love, when "brand" overwhelms the inherent quality and design that gave birth to "brand" in the f... 
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not belt buckles

 
 By: aptronym : March 10th, 2015-17:46
" I have come to realize that, in the world of psychodynamics and behavioural psychology, NOT choosing a brand because of that brand is just as brand influenced as BUYING a brand because of the brand..." - I could bore everyone to death with my over-opini... 
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